I agree with this mail. It was difficult for me, find  the ISO download
(especially non-free installer)

El vie., 1 de dic. de 2017 a la(s) 18:15, Luca Capello <l...@pca.it>
escribió:

> Hi there,
>
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:39:12 +0100, W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> > Quoting Paul Wise <p...@debian.org>:
> > > It would have been best for him to download the ISO with non-free
> > > firmware embedded, do you know how he made the decision to download
> > > the ISO without non-free firmware?
> >
> > Every time I need a Debian ISO, it takes me minutes to find it.
> > I didn't even know, that there were an ISO with non-free firmware.
> >
> > There should be a beautiful ISO download page, e.g.
> > https://www.debian.org/download[s]/
> > with all architectures and supported releases, similar to
> > https://www.ubuntu.com/download
> > or
> > https://linuxmint.com/download.php
>
> Like the following?
>
>   <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/>
>
> Which is 3-click away from the main page:
>
>   Release Info => <https://www.debian.org/releases/>
>    stable => <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/>
>     2nd sentence => <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/>
>
> Or do you prefer another pointer in our official documentation?
>
>   <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en>
>
> OK, you need to dig deeper to find this, 4-click away from the main
> page:
>
>   Installation manual => <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual>
>    Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64) => <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/>
>     2.2. Devices Requiring Firmware => <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s02.html.en>
>
>      [4th sentence]
>
>      However, this does not mean that such hardware cannot be used
>      during an installation. Starting with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0,
>      debian-installer supports loading firmware files or packages
>      containing firmware from a removable medium, such as a USB
>      stick. See Section 6.4, “Loading Missing Firmware” for detailed
>      information on how to load firmware files or packages during the
>      installation.
>
>       6.4.1. Preparing a medium => <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en>
>
>       [6th sentence]
>
>       Official CD images do not include non-free firmware. The most
>       common method to load such firmware is from some removable medium
>       such as a USB stick. Alternatively, unofficial CD builds
>       containing non-free firmware can be found at
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
> .
>
> However, given that no one reads the documentation today, but it relies
> on search engines, the first result in DuckDuckGo (and FWIW in Google as
> well) for "Debian Firmware" gives...
>
>   <https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware>
>
> ...where the 3rd paragraph contains (copying it here for search
> engines):
>
>   Firmware during the installation
>
>   In some cases the installer detects the need for non-free firmware and
>   prompts the user to make the firmware available to the installer to
>   complete the installation. This can happen, for example, with wireless
>   network cards which often require non-free firmware to function (see
>   ipw2200 for an example).
>
>   A suggestion, especially while installation on hardware unfamiliar to
>   you, is to download the firmware archive for your platform and unpack
>   it into a directory named firmware in the root of a removable storage
>   device (USB/CD drive). When the installer starts, it will
>   automatically find the firmware files in the directory on the
>   removable storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your
>   hardware. You can find firmware downloads for your Debian version at
>   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/.
>
>   In some cases, firmware supplied on removable media may not be
>   detected automatically (e.g. 740503). In these situations, drop to the
>   console and manually mount (see mount(8)) your removable storage on a
>   temporary directory (e.g. /media).
>
>   Alternatively, you can use one of the parallel installer image builds
>   that also include all the non-free firmware packages directly. We have
>   "netinst" CD images and also DVD installer images - see
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
>
> Thx, bye,
> Gismo / Luca
>
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