Marvin Renich <m...@renich.org> wrote: >* Tollef Fog Heen <tfh...@err.no> [131024 05:39]: >> ]] Steve Langasek >> >> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:21:25AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> > > 2013/10/24 Steve Langasek <vor...@debian.org>: >> > > > [...] >> > > >> If Gnome depends on gnome-settings-daemon, which now depends >on systemd, >> > > >> this might be a worrying trend, as non-Linux kernels don't >support systemd. >> > >> > > > Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus >services should be >> > > > separated out in the packaging. >> > > Some of the services consume functions and features provided by >> > > systemd (the init system). >> > >> > Which is exactly the kind of embrace-and-extend that Debian should >not >> > tolerate having foisted on them in the default desktop by an >upstream >> > pushing an agenda. >> >> I'm arguing for that systemd is a complete package. You can't just >take >> one part of it and expect it to work, at least not without throwing >> engineering time at it as well. > >The issue is not whether or not systemd is a complete package, but that >the (current) Debian default desktop environment Depends on systemd. >If >systemd were already established as the _sole_ currently accepted init >system, there might be a reasonable argument for this. However, >currently, systemd is *very* controversial, and it is extremely unclear >that it will become the default Debian init system. The default Debian >DE should not require it. > >I believe that systemd/GNOME upstream is intentionally coupling the two >in order to force adoption of systemd. There are obviously others who >do not believe this. If it is true, however, I would consider it >sufficient justification to both change Debian's default DE and >eliminate systemd as a candidate for the default init system, >regardless >of any technical merits.
If your concern is about Debian's default DE depending on systemd, there is more than one way to solve that problem. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2fe2e373-0838-4b97-b533-b08b79b37...@email.android.com
