Hi all, On Mi 16 Okt 2024 21:00:41 CEST, Michael Biebl wrote:
Hi Simon, thanks for your reply Am 14.10.24 um 17:13 schrieb Simon McVittie:On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 16:33:40 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:The name of the network-manager-gnome package is indeed a bit misleading nowadays. Thus for some time I contemplated splitting up the package (similar to how Fedora has done) into network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor. The former would contain the nm-applet binary, the latter nm-connection-editor. network-manager-gnome would become a transitional metapackage depending on both. Desktop environments which already provide an applet/tray could then skip installing network-manager-applet and opt into installing nm-connection-editor only (for its advanced functionality).In trixie's metapackages, we now have: Package: gnome-core # a smallish GNOME system Recommends: network-manager [linux-any] Package: gnome # a fully-featured GNOME system Depends: network-manager [linux-any] Suggests: network-manager-gnome [linux-any] and I think all of that is reasonable. If you split network-manager-gnome as discussed, then we would certainly replace network-manager-gnome with nm-connection-editor. We could also consider promoting nm-connection-editor from Suggests back to Recommends in the "big" gnome metapackage, although I'm unsure whether we should or not (my personal inclination would be not). At the moment, network-manager-gnome is also a Recommends for gnome-control-center, but perhaps that's a bug? Or perhaps g-c-c uses some part of n-m-g internally? task-gnome-flashback-desktop does pull in network-manager-gnome as a Depends, but that seems right for GNOME Flashback, which is a continuation of GNOME 2 and doesn't use GNOME Shell (that's the point). Various non-GNOME desktops do pull in network-manager-gnome, and I'm not sure which half of it they want: Budgie, Cinnamon, LXDE, LXQt and MATE pull it in as a Recommends or Depends in their metapackages, XFCE pulls it in via task-xfce-desktop, and the design-desktop and parl-desktop metapackages (both of which are XFCE variants) have it as Depends. Those desktops' maintainers might have an opinion on whether this split would be helpful.Good idea. Looping them in here for their feedback.
In MATE Desktop we actively want / use / rely-on network-manager-gnome. When touching the whole thing, may I suggest renaming the bin:pkg "network-manager-gnome" to another name? Such es network-manager-applet?
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