On 11/09/14 16:36, Adam Borowski wrote: >> What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)? >> * without 3D, with llvmpipe >> * without both > > llvmpipe doesn't work at all -- not ported to -- on !x86 !armhf. > >> Does it fall back gracefully to a fallback/flashback mode, and does that >> still work these days? > > All you get is a non-windowed screen that says: > .---- > Oh no! Something has gone wrong. > > A problem has occured and the system can't recover. > Please log out and try again. > > Log Out. > `---- > You can't even press "Log Out", upon clicking the mouse cursor disappears > and pressing any key on the keyboard turns the screen black, without no > way out other than Alt-Ctrl-F1.
Fair enough if a Debian desktop doesn't want to support "toy architectures" (I don't mind use of this term). But if the above is true, it is a step further: only 3D-accelerated, or i386/amd64/armhf systems seem to get a sensible out-of-box experience. It still isn't clear to me what "default desktop" means or the impact of deciding one. Ultimately I think we'll be saying "the default Debian _system_ is an amd64 machine, with modern Intel, Nvidia (or Radeon + nonfree microcode) graphics, running the GNOME 3 desktop", and fair enough, the Debian homepage could serve a direct link to a GNOME amd64/i386 ISO download. That install media should default to installing GNOME. Is that what we're *really* deciding with the process here? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie In most _other_ situations (the 1 to 20%, who knows), where that .iso is not appropriate, it perhaps won't make sense to always suggest GNOME. Maybe where I'm going with this is a "tier-1 default" and a "everything-else default", or maybe we don't even need that. I'm unsure. Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain [email protected] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
