On 17.02.2013 17:47, Philipp Hug wrote:
Hi list,
* Should we combine or split payment for accommodation and food?
Accomodation should only be booked together with food as we pay full
pension for everyone.
But, you shouldn't forget that there are people staying outside LeCamp
who might need food at least for lunch, not sure about dinner though.
But this can probably be handled manually.
I also think that we should have combined food-accommodation offer for
people sleeping in Le Camp. Less inconsistencies and errors on user
data: we still have penta ;-)
I would include lunch and dinner together. AFAIK we have good food, and
it is also simpler.
OTOH I would try to force two different food prices: early booked, and
(limited availability) of late booked food. I don't think we are able
not to have such late booked food, but we should really try hard to
force people to book food earlier. Note: I think now we should only find
the prices of early booked food (which go to registration). Later with
Le Camp we can discuss how flexible we are and set a price.
* Which rooms should we expect to use for people paying a premium?
Which is the best accomodation category that should be free for
sponsored attendees? The current proposal sets this to "Medium
sleeping-bag room" (12-16 bed sleeping bag room)
If you really want to charge for room-upgrades you need charge for
every room better than sleeping_bag_big or how would you decide who
gets a better room for free.
The "sleeping_bag_big" was intended to be optional. OTOH "optional"
could mean that only few people will book such rooms.
* How should we plan to use the biggest rooms, for now?
One proposal to make the big and medium sleeping-bag rooms more
comfortable is to not completely fill them. There has not been much
discussion about how many people would be OK yet and there is nothing
about this in the current proposal. But I think there is a general
consensus that we don't want to completely fill these rooms. There are
159 beds in these categories. Only filling the these rooms to 2/3 of
their capacity would reduce to overall amount of available beds by 53.
How should
I think as long as LeCamp is not fully booked, we can "upgrade" some
people to better rooms during checkin.
But we cannot guarantee that the rooms are only filled to X% unless
you want to reduce total capacity.
It can be difficult to pack many people on such rooms, but maybe local
volunteers and prospective developers (young, nearly same age, nearly
same background).
* Should we allow sponsored attendees to (cheaply) buy a better room?
The current proposal also allows sponsored attendees to buy an
accomodation upgrade. Some people on the list thought this should not be
allowed.
There are two reasons against upgrades of sponsored attendees:
* administrative overhead: we need to keep track of all those
different kind of bookings, payments, ... This can be solved using
some room booking system, but I'm not sure this will be ready until we
open registration.
* if upgrades are possible to the highest categories we loose money,
as some will only pay upgrade instead of paying the full price.
I agree with you. At minimum, the better rooms should not be upgradable
by sponsors.
* Pricing
The current prices are based on the assumption that we don't want to
earn money from selling these beds -- the prices are intended to cover
our costs. Some people thought that the prices for the upper categories
are currently too low.
IMO: the prices for the higher categories are too low compared to the
lower categories.
e.g. Why does a single room cost half the prices of a double room?
sleeping_bag_double should IMO be more expensive than
nordique_small/nordique_medium and also have a bigger price difference
to sleeping_bag_medium.
I totally agree. The prices of single rooms should be much higher than
double nordique rooms, and IMHO the room < 4 people should have an
higher prices.
Ev reducing the prices of the very large rooms.
(OTOH possibly nobody will notice such reduction, because of sponsored
people).
single nordique: 47 -> 62 (86 with food)
double nordique: 47 -> 52 (76 with food)
nordique <=4: 39 -> 42 (66 with food)
sleeping bag <=2: 33 -> 35 (59 with food)
Not so cheap, but we need help, and I think we will have enough
interested people.
And a missing point:
* Professional / Corporate: what is the meaning now? Is it truly
optional, or non-sponsored people need to pay a extra conference fee?
Late registrant need professional fee (like on older debconfs?)
I would leave the 2 categories, and oblige later registrant (with
accommodation) to pay professional. For only food: maybe a supplement
(see above), just for our extra work handling such people.
Maybe we could give them a priority on room allocation (but only for
early registrant)
ciao
cate
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