On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:59:44 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz <ji...@debian.org> wrote:
> One more thing: in a lot of the mails and other communications from several of > the people asking me these questions, I'm inferring lots of suspicions of > favoritism or impropriety or cliqueishness or some kind of personalized action > against Clint. Please realize that we're all acting in good faith here, > whether > we made the right decision or not, and that the fact that the applicant was > specifically Clint did not bias us against him, just like we wouldn't let it > bias us the other direction. I agree with you that we are all acting in good faith, but I have to point out that your inference that these arguments are being made because of suspicion of bad faith or some sort of conspiracy is saying that those of us who are pointing out these problems are actually the ones acting in bad faith. Suggesting that any disagreement with how things happened is a suggestion of bad faith is saying that these arguments are not being made in good faith. That is not only wrong, but if I were assuming you were making this point in bad faith, then I would point out that such an assertion is an attempt at shutting down any disagreement, but I wont do that because I dont think you are trying to do that. As you said, "we are *all* acting in good faith here", and that needs to apply both to the herb team, but also those who were not part of the herb team who are pointing out these issues. Until the herb team realizes that, we will fail to talk to each other and instead talk over each other. > You're certainly welcome to ask these questions, but to all of you, please > don't write the mails assuming that something was done in a corrupt or > conspiratorial manner. I realize no direct accusations were made, but the > insinuations running through several of these mails are unwarranted and also a > strong disincentive to contribute to DebConf in ways such as this, or at all. > > Nobody is claiming that this year was handled perfectly, or that mistakes > never > happen. Improvements for next year are great. Thank you. Nobody is claiming a conspiracy, nor is anyone claiming that things were handled perfectly, or claiming that anyone is failing to see that things were handled imperfectly. Since you have pointed out that a conspiracy theory is being woven by people who feel like what happened here was wrong, and I am one of those people, I feel compelled to explicitly state that I certainly do not think that anyone involved in herb this year was deliberately conspiring to fuck Clint. However, Clint was fucked and the response when this has been pointed out has been unsatisfactory prevaracations, justifications and failures to see clear inconsistant problems in the process, not to mention rectify them. micah
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