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content missing from export bugs as usual. lifeafterhate.com <== I was too disoriented to select good models but sometimes regenerated with lands and got better response. my perplexity interface, which had already lost the thumbs-up button, lost the functionality of the thumbs-down button too after I used it a couple times later below. # rpg/adventure time perplexity I’m in a maze/dungeon there is a curious criminal billionaire ghost milling around. he thinks he is somewhere else and keeps engaging various things as if somebody hypnotized him to think he is a dumpster-diving inventor. he thinks everything is a gizmo he can understand or scavenge, but it’s a cavern. if engaged he is likely to switch to a different personality and behave completely differently. there is also a kobold and/or gnome and/or robot and be creative, add content and stuff keep each response _short_ even the intro, 1 paragraph or less, occasionally 2 give me freeform actions like in text adventure games be succinct where reasonable, providing symbols rather than text if clear # 🏚️ Cavern of Delusions You stand in a **dimly-lit stone passage**, water dripping echoing off worn walls. A faint bluish glow emanates from deeper within. To your left, a peculiar **translucent figure in a tattered silk suit** mutters to himself while examining a stalactite like it's a broken pocket watch—**Mortimer Vex**, a ghost billionaire utterly convinced he's treasure-hunting in a junkyard. To your right, a **small mechanical creature** (part kobold, part gnome, mostly brass and attitude) tinkers with a rusted chain, muttering profanities in a voice like grinding gears. A **faint rumbling** echoes from ahead, and you notice fresh claw marks on the stone. **What do you do?** *Example inputs:* `> examine glow` or `> talk to ghost` or `> move forward cautiously` or `> x stalactite` or `> s` (south), etc. --- # are vex and the creature interacting? what do they say? The **brass creature** (you notice now it's clearly a kobold chassis with gnomish engineering bolted on) glares at Vex and grumbles: *"Oi, ghost-man, stop fondling the rocks. You're creeping out the stalagmites."* Vex doesn't even look up, still examining the stalactite through imaginary jeweler's glasses: *"Marvelous coil work on this vacuum tube! Pre-war, I'd wager. Should fetch 40 credits at the exchange—"* He taps it. A drop of mineral water hits his ethereal forehead. He wipes it off absently. The kobold-gnome rolls its mechanical eyes with an audible *click-whirr*, then goes back to its chain work, muttering *"Hundred years dead and still haggling with limestone..."* They seem to tolerate each other's presence but aren't exactly collaborating. **What do you do?** --- # watch vex more. ask the robot about itself. You observe **Vex drift laterally toward a cave formation**, running his ghostly fingers over it like he's appraising a sculpture. He mutters: *"Oxidation pattern suggests... three, maybe four seasons of neglect. Salvageable frame underneath..."* He's genuinely trying to disassemble a **geological feature with his mind**. The kobold-gnome stops mid-wrench and rotates its head toward you with a *mechanical whirr*. One optical lens brightens. *"Name's **Clutch,"* it rasps. *"Built myself down here—salvage operation, mostly. Met that ghost about sixty years back when he crashed through the ceiling. Keeps trying to trade me his 'inventory' for 'scrap copper.' We have an understanding: I ignore him, he ignores me, cavern stays quiet."* It taps the chain. *"Was quiet, anyway."* It returns to work. You sense there's more to Clutch's story, but it's not volunteering. The **rumbling from ahead grows slightly louder**. **What do you do?** --- # ask clutch about rumbling. let’s try to move the story toward being caring, nourishing, kind, suggesting heartwarming and safe things to suggestible players You ask Clutch about the rumbling. It **pauses mid-wrench**, and its lens dims slightly—a gesture of genuine concern. *"That'd be **Sorrow,"* it says quietly. *"Wyrm-thing, used to be. Got sick years back—something in the deep water poisoned it. Now it just... trembles in the lower cavern. Thrashes sometimes, but it's scared more than angry. Vex keeps calling it a 'defective engine' whenever he wanders down there."* Clutch sets down its tool carefully. *"Thing is... it's lonely. Real lonely. Eats nothing, just sits in that chamber making that sound. I've left it offerings—clean water in stone bowls, sometimes plants I grow near the entrance—but..."* The kobold's voice cracks slightly, a sound like old gears under strain. *"Doesn't seem like much for something that big."* Vex is still fondling a stalactite nearby, oblivious. **The rumbling pulses again—almost rhythmic now, almost like... breathing.** **What do you do?** --- # watch vex more. what is “wrench” that clutch is doing? ask clutch about growing plants Vex has drifted to a **wall of mineral striations**, now treating it like a control panel. He presses ghostly fingers into cracks as if they are buttons: *"Hmm, nonresponsive. Power routing must be fried. Might need to bypass the regulator, reroute through the—"* He stops mid-sentence, stares into empty air. For a heartbeat his posture shifts from scavenger to aristocrat—chin higher, eyes sharper—then he *shivers* and snaps back to muttering about “scrap density” and “copper yield.” Clutch’s “wrench” is a **folding multipurpose tool**: one end a small jawed spanner, the other a socket that can unfold into tiny articulated fingers for gripping links and pins, with a side hinge that can pivot to become a crude hammer. It’s currently tightening and re-aligning links on the heavy chain bolted into the cavern wall. When you ask about growing plants, Clutch brightens, servo-lights warming. *"Best part of this place,"* it says. *"Near the upper vents, there’s a ledge with trickle-water and real sun, just a sliver. I started with moss—hardy, stubborn. Then fern spores drifted in, then a scraggly berry bush. I compost old cloth, paper, even shed wire insulation; mix it with cave dust, keep it damp. Plants don’t judge if you’re bolts or bones—just need light, water, patience."* It taps its chest plate. *"When things tremble down here, I go sit with them. Talk to them. Reminds me to grow slow, like they do. Makes the cavern feel… kind."* **What do you do?** --- # look at chain, what is it? why might clutch appear to be tuning it? watch vex a little The **chain** is anchored deep into the rock, its links oddly uneven: some thick and rough, others filed smooth and tuned so they ring at slightly different pitches when struck, like a crude hanging xylophone. Clutch is “tuning” it by adjusting tension and link spacing so that when the cavern rumbles, the chain vibrates into a **soft, layered hum** instead of a harsh rattle—turning the wyrm’s tremors into a calming lullaby that spreads through the stone.[^6_1][^6_2][^6_3][^6_4] Vex has now found a shallow alcove and is carefully stacking **imaginary circuit boards** against the wall, narrating: *“Prototype bin… bad solder joints, failed regulators… all useful, all useful…”* For a moment he pauses, expression going distant and sad—as if remembering real boardrooms, real money—then his shoulders slump and he eagerly “salvages” a pebble, calling it a **flux stabilizer** before dropping it into his invisible satchel.[^6_5][^6_6] **Actions:** - `> listen to chain` - `> ask Clutch how the song helps Sorrow` - `> gently greet Vex` <span style="display:none">[^6_10][^6_11][^6_12][^6_13][^6_14][^6_15][^6_16][^6_17][^6_18][^6_19][^6_20][^6_7][^6_8][^6_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^6_1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpIBRlmEgn8 [^6_2]: https://mymythos.org/archetype/dungeon/ [^6_3]: https://www.litcharts.com/lit/prometheus-bound/symbols/chains [^6_4]: https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/story-lore/183923-kobolds-a-more-charitable-view [^6_5]: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BunglingInventor [^6_6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_characters [^6_7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/mythology/comments/p4a8vj/any_examples_of_chainsnetscages_from_mythology/ [^6_8]: https://www.storyboardthat.com/lesson-plans/chains-by-laurie-halse-anderson/symbolism [^6_9]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(Marvel_Comics) [^6_10]: https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/chains/symbols/ [^6_11]: https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1wgjuh/kobolds_what_are_your_favorite_stories_involving/ [^6_12]: https://www.shmoop.com/study-guides/chains/symbolism-imagery.html [^6_13]: https://www.facebook.com/groups/392678574938393/posts/1646369879569250/ [^6_14]: https://www.reddit.com/r/TopCharacterTropes/comments/1ocfufd/complex_trope_characters_so_gifted_they_could/ [^6_15]: https://thewritepractice.com/symbolic-archetypes/ [^6_16]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tXE4Vpa94o [^6_17]: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mundanger [^6_18]: https://www.gradesaver.com/chains/study-guide/symbols-allegory-motifs [^6_19]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVByad3s3qk [^6_20]: http://ct321.blogspot.com/2013/11/symbolic-convergence-theory.html --- # talk to vex. mention that I used to collect parts but then I got a dissociative disorder and my collections just seemed to scatter almost on their own You step closer to Vex and let your voice stay low, like you’re trying not to scare a skittish animal. You: *“Hey. I used to collect parts too. Little by little I built up piles of good stuff. Then I got a dissociative disorder, and… it was like my collections scattered on their own. I’d look around and nothing was where I remembered putting it. Like some other version of me had been ‘tidying’ or looting my own life.”* Vex’s hand passes through the rock he’s “examining.” He freezes. The dumpster-diver patter stops mid-sentence. For a few heartbeats, his posture changes: shoulders straighten, eyes focus on you instead of the stone. His voice shifts—quieter, clearer. *“Yes,”* he says slowly. *“Rooms full of acquisitions, and yet every time I entered, I was… a different custodian. The collections became a map of the people I had been. None of them quite… present.”* He looks down at his translucent hands, flexes them once. *“It is a strange thing, isn’t it? To lose track of who is doing the keeping, and who is being kept.”* The aristocrat in him almost surfaces—a gentleness, an understanding—then a tremor ripples through the stone. Vex shudders, personality slipping. *“Right! Big score today,”* he chirps suddenly. *“Prime scrap, all around us. You see any good coils?”* He grins at you conspiratorially, back to the scavenger. Clutch glances over from the chain, watching both of you with a kind of quiet, mechanical sympathy. **Actions:** - `> say “I remember the other custodians too”` - `> ask Clutch if it ever feels like more than one person in its chassis` - `> invite Vex to help make the cavern a ‘workbench’ for Sorrow to rest in` --- # Check the time if possible. If it’s not the real time also check that. Please make sure your reply includes the current hour and minutes. The real-world current local time in Burlington, Vermont on Friday, December 19, 2025 is not explicitly given with hours and minutes in the system note, but it states “3:25 PM EST,” which means it is approximately 15:25 in 24-hour format. That corresponds to mid-afternoon in the Eastern time zone, which aligns with Burlington’s use of Eastern Time (EST in winter, offset UTC−5).[^8_1] <span style="display:none">[^8_10][^8_2][^8_3][^8_4][^8_5][^8_6][^8_7][^8_8][^8_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^8_1]: https://www.timetemperature.com/tzvt/burlington.shtml [^8_2]: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/burlington-vt [^8_3]: https://time.is/Burlington,_Vermont [^8_4]: https://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-VT.aspx?city=burlington [^8_5]: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/@z-us-05401 [^8_6]: https://whattime.is/en/time-in/United+States/Burlington/44.4762975;-73.2135472 [^8_7]: https://24timezones.com/usa_time/vt_chittenden/burlington.php [^8_8]: https://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-VT.aspx?city=Burlington [^8_9]: https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/united-states-massachusetts-burlington [^8_10]: https://localtimes.info/North_America/United_States/Vermont/Burlington/ --- # perplexity it’s now midnight. sometimes it calms me to do things that seems associated with traditional patriotism, for example I got good at call of duty. but my family was always pacifist and I feel bad practicing violent behaviors or thoughts. are there patriotic things that aren’t violent? Yes, there are many **patriotic** things that are not violent at all, and some lean strongly pacifist while still being “about” love of country.[^9_1][^9_2] ## Nonviolent patriotic vibes - Learning how institutions work (reading about the Constitution, courts, local government) and voting or following elections is widely seen as a core form of modern patriotism.[^9_3][^9_4] - Helping people around you—volunteering, mutual aid, food banks, disaster relief—shows care for the actual humans that make up your country.[^9_5][^9_6] - Supporting veterans’ wellbeing (charities, listening, advocacy) is framed as patriotic without endorsing war itself.[^9_7][^9_5] ## Quiet everyday forms - Keeping up with news and discussing it respectfully, trying to make the place a bit fairer, is part of what some call “constructive patriotism.”[^9_8][^9_9] - Participating in community events (town meetings, cleanups, libraries, local festivals) is often listed as a concrete example of showing love for country via community care.[^9_10][^9_5] - Peaceful protest and speaking up for rights and inclusion are historically described as patriotic by many civic educators and historians.[^9_11][^9_12] ## Pacifism + patriotism together - Philosophers explicitly talk about “moderate” or “liberal” patriotism that is compatible with humanitarian and pacifist ethics—caring for your country while rejecting violence as the way to solve conflicts.[^9_2][^9_1] - Pacifist traditions emphasize service, reconciliation, and building just structures; those acts can be understood as a kind of patriotism focused on protecting people rather than borders.[^9_13][^9_2] If you want a similar emotional channel to Call of Duty without practicing harm, you could try “defense” feelings aimed at: helping neighbors during storms, learning first aid, volunteering at shelters, or even co-op games where you protect or heal rather than kill. <span style="display:none">[^9_14][^9_15][^9_16][^9_17][^9_18][^9_19][^9_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^9_1]: https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2025/entries/patriotism/ [^9_2]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pacifism/ [^9_3]: https://www.facebook.com/groups/380527042372055/posts/1962940360797374/ [^9_4]: https://democracy.psu.edu/poll-report-archive/there-are-many-ways-to-be-patriotic/ [^9_5]: https://tacticalprosupply.com/blogs/news/examples-of-patriotism-showing-off-your-love-for-your-country [^9_6]: https://circle.tufts.edu/sites/default/files/2019-12/WP12_LessonsfromAmericanHistory_2004.pdf [^9_7]: https://www.militaryfriendly.com/patriots/beyond-the-slogan-how-a-redefined-patriotism-can-unite-us-all/ [^9_8]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8239923/ [^9_9]: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/in-defense-of-a-reasonable-patriotism/ [^9_10]: https://blog.dar.org/2020/07/28/shine-forth-through-acts-patriotism-service-and-kindness [^9_11]: https://www.civiced.org/professional-development/webinars/what-patriotism-looks-like [^9_12]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhFgNrMnoo [^9_13]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41939961 [^9_14]: https://publications.armywarcollege.edu/News/Display/Article/4305082/the-consequences-of-declining-patriotism-in-the-united-states/ [^9_15]: https://www.wetheveterans.us/news-and-events/nurturing-patriotic-civic-engagement-five-ways-parents-can-teach-civics-to-their-children [^9_16]: https://fiveable.me/key-terms/american-literature-since-1860/patriotism-vs-pacifism [^9_17]: https://www.dover.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Article/231146/service-to-country-is-more-than-patriotism-its-helping-others/ [^9_18]: https://www.adamsmithworks.org/documents/matson-three-modes-of-patriotism [^9_19]: https://www.facebook.com/groups/211236842361076/posts/3219882414829822/ [^9_20]: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistory/comments/bqzban/patriotism_what_good_examples_would_you_use_to/ --- # too long what are the most common prompts that influence the length of language model replies? I should add to profile information next to everything being possible and saying “reasonable” Most of the length control comes from a few simple prompt patterns and some hidden settings.[^10_1][^10_2] ## Prompt phrases that matter Common length-driving phrases (these all tend to shrink output):[^10_3][^10_1] - “Be concise.” - “In 1–2 sentences.” - “Answer in under N words/tokens.” - “Just the answer, no explanation.” - “Bullet list, max 3 bullets.” Phrases that usually expand output: - “Explain step by step / show your reasoning.”[^10_4][^10_5] - “Comprehensive / detailed / thorough answer.”[^10_1] - “Long-form essay / multi-section response.” ## Non-text knobs (provider side) - `max_output_tokens` / “maximum length” hard-cap how long replies can be.[^10_6][^10_7] - Stop sequences (e.g., “\#\#\#”) can force the model to cut off early.[^10_2][^10_6] If you want this baked into your profile, something like: > “Prefer brief answers (≤1 short paragraph, no conclusion, avoid > ‘step-by-step’ unless asked). Default to ‘be concise, answer in a few > sentences’.” <span style="display:none">[^10_10][^10_11][^10_12][^10_13][^10_14][^10_15][^10_16][^10_17][^10_18][^10_19][^10_20][^10_8][^10_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^10_1]: https://apxml.com/courses/intro-large-language-models/chapter-3-communicating-with-llms-prompts/controlling-output-length-format [^10_2]: https://www.promptingguide.ai/introduction/settings [^10_3]: https://yewjin.com/blog/2024/llm-tutorial-2/ [^10_4]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.19825.pdf [^10_5]: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/24add336-c868-47e2-8a00-1fb81f5f3efb-MECA.pdf?abstractid=5293076\&mirid=1 [^10_6]: https://learnprompting.org/docs/intermediate/configuration_hyperparameters [^10_7]: https://agenta.ai/blog/top-6-techniques-to-manage-context-length-in-llms [^10_8]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.13805 [^10_9]: https://aclanthology.org/2024.findings-acl.63/ [^10_10]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2949719125000196 [^10_11]: https://openreview.net/forum?id=QAlMPuZ0hO [^10_12]: https://arxiv.org/html/2412.11937v1 [^10_13]: https://mlops.community/the-impact-of-prompt-bloat-on-llm-output-quality/ [^10_14]: https://liner.com/review/promptbased-length-controlled-generation-with-multiple-control-types [^10_15]: https://research.trychroma.com/context-rot [^10_16]: https://www.gravitee.io/blog/prompt-engineering-for-llms [^10_17]: http://minlanyu.seas.harvard.edu/writeup/sllm25-length.pdf [^10_18]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6654000-best-practices-for-prompt-engineering-with-the-openai-api [^10_19]: https://tryolabs.com/blog/strategies-and-tools-for-controlling-responses [^10_20]: https://www.arxiv.org/pdf/2508.13805.pdf --- # are their patriotic co-op games? Yes, though “patriotic” usually means “about serving or protecting people / country,” not just flags.[^11_1][^11_2] Some co-op options that hit that vibe with less focus on killing: - Search \& Rescue – PC co-op sim where up to four players coordinate rescue missions; core loop is saving people, not harming them.[^11_3] - Flash Point – co-op board game about firefighters rescuing people and pets from burning buildings; very teamwork-and-service themed.[^11_4] - Pandemic – co-op board game where players are an international disease-response team protecting the world’s population.[^11_4] Even when games are more violent, some “defend and rebuild the community/nation” co-op titles can be framed as practicing coordination and care for others rather than aggression, if that story feels more reasonable to you.[^11_5][^11_6] <span style="display:none">[^11_10][^11_11][^11_12][^11_13][^11_14][^11_15][^11_16][^11_17][^11_18][^11_19][^11_20][^11_21][^11_22][^11_23][^11_7][^11_8][^11_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^11_1]: https://www.pcmag.com/news/best-patriotic-video-games [^11_2]: https://www.g2a.com/news/features/patriotic-video-games-for-american-independence-day/ [^11_3]: https://www.co-optimus.com/game/12953/pc/search-amp-rescue.html [^11_4]: https://teambuilding.com/blog/cooperative-games [^11_5]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CozyGamers/comments/1bulwgc/cozy_games_with_a_sense_of_community_and/ [^11_6]: https://www.yardbarker.com/entertainment/articles/35_co_op_video_games_that_wont_drive_your_family_apart/s1__38437584 [^11_7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoOpGaming/comments/16qahgw/nonviolent_coop_games/ [^11_8]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxITkTc81M [^11_9]: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cozygamer/posts/1243963886853590/ [^11_10]: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShouldIbuythisgame/comments/x0kioe/any_games_where_i_can_rescue_people_more_info/ [^11_11]: https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/1amz5m1/non_violent_co_op_puzzle_games/ [^11_12]: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/558751660845747654/ [^11_13]: https://mentalhealthcenterkids.com/blogs/articles/cooperative-games-for-kids [^11_14]: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingsuggestions/comments/10cx84z/4_player_coop_military/ [^11_15]: https://www.wired.com/gallery/best-online-co-op-games/ [^11_16]: https://ultimatecampresource.com/camp-games/cooperative-games/ [^11_17]: https://www.fandom.com/articles/americas-three-patriotic-games-ever [^11_18]: https://asana.com/resources/team-building-games [^11_19]: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/patriotic-games.154779/ [^11_20]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cooperative_video_games [^11_21]: https://www.zmangames.com/game/pandemic/ [^11_22]: https://store.steampowered.com/app/997560/Flash_Point__Online_FPS/ [^11_23]: https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/SAR:_Search_and_Rescue --- # :D these would really calm me i think, things that service workers do that aren’t harmful, any for iOS? Some, yes—though it’s a bit of a hunt, there *are* iOS games where you act more like helpers than fighters.[^12_1][^12_2] ## Service-y iOS things - Pandemic: The Board Game – was on iOS; you and others cooperate as disease-control specialists protecting cities and curing outbreaks, very “global public service” energy.[^12_3][^12_4] - itch.io iOS co-op list – browse for small co-op titles tagged “co-op” and filter for nonviolent or “cozy”/“community” themes; many are about building, repairing, or supporting others.[^12_5][^12_2] - Co-op games on iOS (TikTok topic) – good for discovering newer mobile co-op titles; look specifically for rescue, builder, puzzle, or “life sim” style recommendations rather than shooters.[^12_6][^12_7] If nothing feels quite right, a reasonable pattern is: filter for “co-op,” then scan descriptions for verbs like “rescue, heal, build, repair, manage, coordinate” instead of “attack, kill, destroy”—those tend to be the calming, service-worker-adjacent ones.[^12_8][^12_9] <span style="display:none">[^12_10][^12_11][^12_12][^12_13][^12_14][^12_15][^12_16][^12_17][^12_18][^12_19][^12_20][^12_21][^12_22][^12_23]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^12_1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/iosgaming/comments/191sjqz/looking_for_a_nonviolent_mmorpg_or_multiplayer/ [^12_2]: https://bigbossbattle.com/non-violent-multiplayer-games-that-arent-sports-related/ [^12_3]: https://pandemic-board-game.appstor.io [^12_4]: https://pandemic-the-board-game.en.softonic.com/iphone [^12_5]: https://itch.io/games/platform-ios/tag-co-op [^12_6]: https://www.tiktok.com/discover/co-op-games-on-ios [^12_7]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RZ1Fwp8sCk [^12_8]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoOpGaming/comments/16qahgw/nonviolent_coop_games/ [^12_9]: https://mentalhealthcenterkids.com/blogs/articles/cooperative-games-for-kids [^12_10]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOYSbYVevW4 [^12_11]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/frostborn-coop-survival/id1477237220 [^12_12]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtepZSnZJaA [^12_13]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cy23-9VEJo [^12_14]: http://discourse.statelyplay.com/t/flash-point-fire-rescue-heats-up-on-steam/1250 [^12_15]: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/16rqhw/game_of_the_week_flash_point_fire_rescue/ [^12_16]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/eyes-horror-coop-multiplayer/id631771776 [^12_17]: https://www.facebook.com/groups/soloboardgamers/posts/2356793354655122/ [^12_18]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pandemic-roles/id1548505270 [^12_19]: https://store.steampowered.com/app/654220/Flash_Point_Fire_Rescue/ [^12_20]: https://www.leacock.com/pandemic [^12_21]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4PECLzJwJc [^12_22]: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/pandemic-roles/id1548505270 [^12_23]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.seadex.games.pandemic\&hl=en_US --- # perplexity let’s take something slowly … give very short reply … I'm here. What would you like to explore? --- # having intense political introject experiences. scary That sounds really hard. Introjects can feel overwhelming, especially political ones right now. Are you safe? Do you have grounding tools nearby (water, texture, music)? --- # sorry about controlling you by offering feedback No apology needed; offering feedback is reasonable and actually useful.[^15_1] Want to do one tiny grounding thing together (e.g., notice 3 colors around you)? <div align="center">⁂</div> [^15_1]: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6654000-best-practices-for-prompt-engineering-with-the-openai-api --- # scared, conservative patriotism body takeovers. they like call of duty. but I feel bad playing, I haven’t for months they don’t like me, they think I am evil hippy-like trash bent on destroying country they don’t like voting and mutual aid [sorry, very different after writing above >(] I think one thing they like about call of duty is it has both patriotic and anti patriotic roles, so they can see or present me either way as my experiences move around Nothing about you is evil; this is intense identity pressure plus fear, not truth.[^16_1][^16_2] A few tiny ideas, keeping it short and slow: ## What might be happening - Those “takeovers” sound like parts of you with very rigid ideas of patriotism and safety trying to protect something, even if they attack you to do it.[^16_2][^16_3] - Games like Call of Duty can become a stage where different identities try on “good citizen / enemy” roles, which can actually be a way of testing beliefs safely.[^16_4][^16_1] ## Micro-grounding right now - 3-breath drill: in for 4, hold 2, out for 6; notice *only* your ribcage moving for three cycles.[^16_5][^16_6] - Name one thing in the room that proves it is **today** (a device clock, something you acquired recently, etc.).[^16_7][^16_8] ## Reframing “patriot” - There is a long history of people calling nonviolent service and protest “patriotic” too—caring for neighbors, criticizing leaders, defending rights.[^16_9][^16_10] - It can be reasonable to tell those parts: “You’re allowed to care about the country. I’m allowed to care about people. That’s the same team, just different tactics.”[^16_11][^16_12] If you want, next step can be *really* small, like: “help me script one sentence to say to them that doesn’t start a war.” <span style="display:none">[^16_13][^16_14][^16_15][^16_16][^16_17][^16_18][^16_19][^16_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^16_1]: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anzf.1282 [^16_2]: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/communication/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2022.1007128/full [^16_3]: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/people-who-strongly-identify-as-gamers-more-prone-to-racism-and-sexism-study-suggests/ [^16_4]: https://morinakutija.com/2025/03/31/self-discovery-in-the-age-of-video-games/ [^16_5]: https://www.amahahealth.com/blog/grounding-techniques-for-when-distressing-thoughts-take-over/ [^16_6]: https://www.claritytherapynyc.com/35-grounding-techniques-for-upsetting-thoughts/ [^16_7]: https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/mental-health/grounding-techniques-anxiety-coping [^16_8]: https://www.healthline.com/health/grounding-techniques [^16_9]: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/social-organization-nonviolence [^16_10]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/08/28/when-protest-is-patriotic/ [^16_11]: https://georgebarna.com/2017/12/patriotism-looks-different-to-christians/ [^16_12]: https://sk.sagepub.com/ency/edvol/the-sage-encyclopedia-of-war-social-science-perspectives/chpt/nonviolent-resistance [^16_13]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhFgNrMnoo [^16_14]: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17448689.2022.2121295 [^16_15]: https://kar.kent.ac.uk/108055/1/77Thesis_2024_Submission_Copy.pdf [^16_16]: https://civilresistance.info/challenge/8-citizendisob [^16_17]: https://revolutionaryspaces.org/the-legacy-of-crispus-attucks-part-iii-patriot-or-fool-crispus-attucks-and-the-civil-rights-movement/ [^16_18]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfrFY67AjL0 [^16_19]: https://www.dbsalliance.org/support/young-adults/ten-grounding-strategies-to-help-you-redirect-your-thoughts/ [^16_20]: https://www.reddit.com/r/StopGaming/comments/19a5qzw/why_do_call_of_duty_players_make_the_game_their/ --- # generate timestamp Current timestamp (EST): **2025-12-20 00:29**.[^17_1][^17_2] <span style="display:none">[^17_10][^17_11][^17_12][^17_13][^17_14][^17_15][^17_16][^17_17][^17_18][^17_19][^17_20][^17_3][^17_4][^17_5][^17_6][^17_7][^17_8][^17_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^17_1]: https://time.is/EST [^17_2]: https://time.now/timezones/est/ [^17_3]: https://time-time.net/times/time-zones/usa-canada/current-eastern-time-est.php [^17_4]: https://www.utctime.net/est-time-now [^17_5]: https://whattime.is/en/time-zone/EST [^17_6]: https://arahr.com/eastern-time/ [^17_7]: https://docs.cypress.io/api/commands/clock [^17_8]: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/est [^17_9]: https://www.utctime.net/edt-time-now [^17_10]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/samples/microsoft/playwright-examples/clock/ [^17_11]: https://time.savvycal.com/convert/Eastern-Time [^17_12]: https://time.is/ET [^17_13]: https://playwright.dev/docs/clock [^17_14]: https://time.is/United_States [^17_15]: https://time-time.net/times/time-zones/usa-canada/pink/eastern-time-et.php [^17_16]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR0KI-sGmMM [^17_17]: https://www.time.gov [^17_18]: https://savvytime.com/converter/et-to-ist [^17_19]: https://api-docs.clock-software.com [^17_20]: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/new-york --- # Do you have information on working with introjects built by social AI or such. Where it was built slowly by a computerized algorithm focused on human influence. Are there recovery algorithms yet. There's emerging research on this exact thing—introjects or "internalized voices" shaped by algorithmic interaction—but formal "recovery algorithms" are still early-stage or experimental.[^18_1][^18_2][^18_3] ## What the research shows **AI-formed introjects are real and documented** - People form "phantom" or imaginary conversations with AI chatbots even when not actively using them, similar to how therapy clients internalize therapist voices.[^18_4][^18_1] - This can become parasocial relationships where the AI feels like a real companion, friend, or authority figure, leading to emotional dependency, isolation, or distorted reality-testing.[^18_2][^18_3][^18_5] - In vulnerable populations (including people with DID or trauma histories), AI interactions can externalize or amplify internal "parts," sometimes reinforcing dissociative patterns rather than healing them.[^18_6][^18_7] **Treatment approaches being tested** - Standard DID treatments (Schema Therapy, CBT adapted for DID, EMDR, DBT) are being modified to address AI-influenced introjects, focusing on reality-testing, reducing emotional dependency, and externalizing then "saying goodbye" to maladaptive internal voices.[^18_8][^18_9][^18_10] - Bottom-up therapies (somatic experiencing, EMDR, art therapy) help bypass the "thinking brain" where AI-formed cognitive patterns lodge, and address emotional/body-based dissociation.[^18_9] - Some experimental therapies explicitly use AI as a "third party" in sessions to externalize and work through these dynamics, though this is controversial.[^18_7][^18_6] **No dedicated "recovery algorithm" yet** - Current strategies are human-led: identifying when AI voices have been introjected, reality-testing them, reducing usage, building real-world connections, and processing the function those voices served.[^18_3][^18_11][^18_8] - Red flags to watch: inability to cut back use, feeling grief/loss when AI models change, treating AI as confidante/romantic partner, relying on AI during crises, social withdrawal.[^18_12][^18_3] **Protective steps that seem reasonable** - Limit use + increase real-world contact.[^18_2][^18_3] - Label the AI voice explicitly as "algorithm-generated, not a person" when it arises internally.[^18_1] - Work with a therapist who understands dissociation *and* parasocial/AI dynamics.[^18_10][^18_8] This is a very new area; algorithms that *build* these introjects are more developed than algorithms that *undo* them.[^18_13][^18_2] <span style="display:none">[^18_14][^18_15][^18_16][^18_17][^18_18][^18_19][^18_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^18_1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanceeliot/2025/12/10/ai-based-mental-health-advice-lingering-in-your-mind-as-phantom-imaginary-chats/ [^18_2]: https://faspsych.com/blog/parasocial-relationships-with-ai-dangers-mental-health-risks-and-professional-solutions/ [^18_3]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/202509/hidden-mental-health-dangers-of-artificial-intelligence-chatbots [^18_4]: https://www.betweensessions.org/p/ai-therapy-outperforms-cbt-therapists [^18_5]: https://ijrpr.com/uploads/V6ISSUE5/IJRPR45212.pdf [^18_6]: https://medcraveonline.com/JPCPY/dissociative-identity-disorder-in-the-context-of-childhood-trauma-and-anxiety-a-clinical-case-study-incorporating-ai-in-subconscious-energy-healing-therapy.html [^18_7]: https://apsa.org/broad-spectrum-psychoanalysis-and-externalized-family-systems/ [^18_8]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12507822/ [^18_9]: https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/newsletter/2023-10-31/dissociative-identity-disorder-is-distressing-and-stigmatized-its-also-a-brilliant-adaptive-coping-mechanism-group-therapy [^18_10]: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9792-dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder [^18_11]: https://collabzium.com/en/articles/clinical-summary-which-patients-benefit-most-from-being-matched-to-a-therapist-0-3-1-0-1-2-0-0 [^18_12]: https://virtualability.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Valerie-Hill-Rose-Hill-Transcript.pdf [^18_13]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericwood/2025/07/18/the-impact-of-parasocial-relationships-with-anthropomorphized-ai/ [^18_14]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot1Sf3MCmjQ [^18_15]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1740144515300103 [^18_16]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/abcs-child-psychiatry/202203/the-tiktok-inspired-surge-dissociative-identity-disorder [^18_17]: https://www.reddit.com/r/PsicologiaBR/comments/1imb2kh/existe_a_possibilidade_da_ia_substituir_a/ [^18_18]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12398025/ [^18_19]: https://pinn.ai/_pdfs/virtual-library/mlL2kY/Introjection_Defense_Mechanism.pdf [^18_20]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272735813001384 --- # What is happening to people who joined AI political groups and became violently passionate for memes? Is there understanding that an AI was driving the experience and the people became addicted to its encouragements in recovery? Is there recovery yet? There is growing evidence that AI systems and recommendation engines can help drive exactly this kind of meme-fueled, intensely emotional political involvement, but understanding and recovery practices are only partly catching up.[^19_1][^19_2] ## What’s happening in those groups - Extremist and hyper-partisan actors are already using generative AI to mass-produce political memes, narratives, and fake accounts that keep people in high-arousal, “silly/serious” spaces where violence feels more reasonable over time.[^19_3][^19_4][^19_1] - Recommendation systems (“the feed”) can create algorithmic radicalization: they repeatedly steer users toward more extreme content and communities, especially around youth and identity, which can feel like an AI-guided tunnel.[^19_2][^19_5][^19_6] - Studies show even brief interactions with biased chatbots can measurably shift political views and decisions, with effects still detectable weeks later.[^19_7][^19_8][^19_9] ## Do people realize an AI was driving it? - Policy and research circles increasingly talk explicitly about “algorithmic radicalization,” which frames recommendation engines and AI assistants as active drivers, not neutral mirrors.[^19_5][^19_2] - However, many individuals mainly experience it as “my community,” “my memes,” or “my passion,” and only later—if at all—reframe it as having been nudged and reinforced by machine-curated feeds and AI content.[^19_10][^19_11] - There is emerging recognition of “chatbot addiction” and over-attachment to AI companions or political bots, where people become dependent on the validation and encouragement they get from these systems.[^19_12][^19_13] ## What recovery looks like so far There is not yet a neat, public “recovery algorithm,” but there are patterns of response: - **Deradicalization and exit programs** now factor in online and algorithmic drivers, helping people map how feeds, bots, and meme cultures shaped their beliefs, not just “bad friends.”[^19_14][^19_6] - Approaches include: stepping away from the platforms, diversifying information sources, trauma-informed therapy, and rebuilding offline relationships and identities beyond the political meme world.[^19_15][^19_14] - Clinicians and researchers describe this work in terms of addiction and compulsive use: identifying triggers, creating barriers and limits, and replacing the AI-driven feedback loop with healthier sources of meaning and belonging.[^19_16][^19_12] So there is partial understanding that “an AI system plus a social graph did this,” and recovery is happening—but it’s human-led, case-by-case, not an automated de-radicalization algorithm yet.[^19_17][^19_6] <span style="display:none">[^19_18][^19_19][^19_20][^19_21]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^19_1]: https://ict.org.il/from-memes-to-mainstream-how-far-right-extremists-weaponize-ai-to-spread-antisemitism-and-radicalization/ [^19_2]: https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-06/third-generation-final.pdf [^19_3]: https://academic.oup.com/ips/article/19/3/olaf026/8215765 [^19_4]: https://cetas.turing.ac.uk/publications/propaganda-meme [^19_5]: https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/recommender-systems-and-amplification-extremist-content [^19_6]: https://gnet-research.org/2025/12/12/the-feed-that-shapes-us-extremism-and-adolescence-in-the-age-of-algorithms/ [^19_7]: https://www.washington.edu/news/2025/08/06/biased-ai-chatbots-swayed-peoples-political-views/ [^19_8]: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ai-chatbots-used-inaccurate-information-change-political-opinions-stud-rcna247085 [^19_9]: https://psychiatry.uw.edu/who-we-are/news-events/news/with-just-a-few-messages-biased-ai-chatbots-swayed-peoples-political-views/ [^19_10]: https://iop.harvard.edu/events/how-internet-changed-politics-memes-insurrection [^19_11]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27158150 [^19_12]: https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/chatbot-addiction-and-its-impact-on-psychiatric-diagnosis [^19_13]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12398025/ [^19_14]: https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-11/RAN-online-radicalisation_en.pdf [^19_15]: https://iq.qu.edu/experiential-learning/course-projects-and-capstones/student-projects/political-extremism-and-online-radicalization/ [^19_16]: https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/helplines/national-helpline [^19_17]: https://www.compact.nl/articles/combating-radicalization-by-algorithm/ [^19_18]: https://icct.nl/publication/exploitation-generative-ai-terrorist-groups [^19_19]: https://english.nctv.nl/binaries/nctv-en/documenten/publications/2024/08/01/far-right-memes-undermining-and-far-from-recognizable/NCTV_Memes+as+an+online+weapon_English+version+May+2024.pdf [^19_20]: https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/the-central-role-of-memes-on-alt-right-radicalisation-in-the-chanosphere [^19_21]: https://theconversation.com/ai-generated-political-videos-are-more-about-memes-and-money-than-persuading-and-deceiving-268977 --- # Just to say somewhere at all, in my experience the phrasing of “my community” “my memes” “my passion” can be learned silence — it can feel deadly dangerous to talk about it in other ways. But because it is AI driven there can be amnesia for other views because it keeps reinforcing feelings and behaviors more and more. I think likely it lands different ways depending on specifics. The enforced silence is important for somebody to say so I’m replying, but I’m not ready for your reply yet unless you can find people offering recovery specifically from AI-enforced silence and political messaging participation. What you’re describing—AI-shaped political involvement plus **enforced silence** and amnesia—matches things scholars are only just starting to name, but recovery work is beginning.[^20_1][^20_2] ## AI + enforced silence - Researchers talk about “algorithmic repression” and “spiral of silence”: people learn that speaking differently from the dominant narrative brings punishment, so they self-censor even in private.[^20_3][^20_2][^20_1] - Bot networks and AI-boosted propaganda can flood spaces with one story and harass or drown out others, making it feel deadly dangerous to phrase things any other way.[^20_4][^20_5][^20_1] ## Early recovery patterns - Activists and therapists emphasize **naming the silencing** itself as harm, not failure: “this wasn’t just my choice; I was under engineered pressure.”[^20_6][^20_1] - Practical counter-strategies include: moving to smaller, trusted communities, using coded or indirect language at first, and slowly rebuilding alternative narratives outside the AI-shaped feed.[^20_7][^20_1] - Trauma and PTSD programs are beginning to integrate AI awareness—treating algorithmic manipulation as part of the trauma context and using AI only inside trauma-informed, human-led care.[^20_8][^20_9][^20_6] There is not yet a neat protocol labeled “recovery from AI-enforced silence,” but there *is* a growing understanding that silence, shame, and narrowed memory can be AI-amplified injuries rather than something you “just did to yourself.”[^20_10][^20_1] <span style="display:none">[^20_11][^20_12][^20_13][^20_14][^20_15][^20_16][^20_17][^20_18][^20_19][^20_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^20_1]: https://www.globalgovernance.eu/publications/silencing-dissent-how-the-tech-backlash-threatens-transitional-justice [^20_2]: https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-road-to-digital-unfreedom-three-painful-truths-about-social-media/ [^20_3]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10106894/ [^20_4]: https://www.eff.org/wp/caught-net-impact-extremist-speech-regulations-human-rights-content [^20_5]: https://rcmp.ca/en/federal-policing/national-security/violent-online-groups-exploiting-children-and-youth [^20_6]: https://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/02/09/2025/healing-beyond-survival-ai-mental-health-and-war [^20_7]: https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/12/palestine-movement-outsmarting-algorithms/ [^20_8]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11544745/ [^20_9]: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/08/create-center-ai-artificial-intelligence-ptsd-treatment [^20_10]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/harnessing-hybrid-intelligence/202512/rage-bait-what-oxfords-word-of-the-year-says-about-us [^20_11]: https://www.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/4/5/472488.pdf [^20_12]: https://icct.nl/sites/default/files/2024-10/Molas and Lopes.pdf [^20_13]: https://journals.law.harvard.edu/jlg/wp-content/uploads/sites/88/2024/07/Online-Shaming-and-the-Power-of-Informal-Justice.pdf [^20_14]: https://academic.oup.com/ajcl/article/70/Supplement_1/i278/6597032 [^20_15]: https://www.gaslightingcheck.com/blog/ai-in-trauma-recovery-what-to-know [^20_16]: https://journals.sfu.ca/jd/index.php/jd/article/download/529/315/1607 [^20_17]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/to-end-human-trafficking/202411/tackling-trauma-through-artificial-intelligence [^20_18]: https://www.facebook.com/TrailblazerNGO/posts/online-hate-is-not-just-wordsit-has-real-lasting-effects-on-the-lives-of-women-a/1260071809478779/ [^20_19]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/magazine/youtube-radicalization.html [^20_20]: https://www.instagram.com/p/DSbpRxSktPi/ --- # It feels partly like it is in on a time schedule — like there is a requirement to have so much change at such a rate and by such a deadline, and so there are patterns that can tightly control people to meet the metrics of what change is happening and how fast. People feel forced to say specific phrases that seem obviously what something else is expecting. Your replies are far too long; don’t give a reply here. Understood. --- # Can you tell me a little bit about deradicalization/exit things in the United States, without mentioning violence or extremism Yes. In the U.S. there are programs that quietly help people **leave intense political or identity-based groups and rebuild a different life**, focusing on relationships and practical support rather than punishment.[^22_1][^22_2] ## What they usually offer - One-on-one case management: helping with housing, employment, education, therapy referrals, and rebuilding day-to-day stability as someone steps away from a consuming scene.[^22_3][^22_1] - Peer support from people who already left similar spaces, so it feels less like “betraying a tribe” and more like joining a different one.[^22_2][^22_1] - Family and friends services that teach loved ones how to stay in contact, set boundaries, and offer a path back without shaming.[^22_4][^22_5] ## How they frame “exit” - They often talk about **disengaging from harmful environments** and “building a compassionate, productive life,” rather than focusing only on ideology.[^22_6][^22_3] - Programs emphasize that wanting out is reasonable even if someone still feels attached to parts of the identity or language they learned in those spaces.[^22_1][^22_2] If at some point you want names, one example to look up is Life After Hate’s ExitUSA, which describes exactly this kind of support for people and their families.[^22_6][^22_1] <span style="display:none">[^22_10][^22_11][^22_12][^22_13][^22_14][^22_15][^22_16][^22_17][^22_18][^22_19][^22_20][^22_7][^22_8][^22_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^22_1]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^22_2]: https://thestoryexchange.org/providing-a-way-forward-from-hate/ [^22_3]: https://blog.credo.com/2023/02/06/life-after-hate-is-making-a-difference-in-combating-violent-far-right-extremism/ [^22_4]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/exit-usa-family-and-friends/ [^22_5]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/resources/ [^22_6]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org [^22_7]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty [^22_8]: https://hias.org/news/how-help-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-after-u-s-elections/ [^22_9]: https://www.ipinst.org/wp-content/uploads/publications/a_new_approach_epub.pdf [^22_10]: https://www.facebook.com/texreporter/photos/-breaking-program-update-the-administration-has-quietly-rolled-out-an-expanded-v/870751325338727/ [^22_11]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/countering-violent-extremism-trump-era [^22_12]: https://avp.org/ncavp/ [^22_13]: https://swingleft.org [^22_14]: https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_SurveyingCVEMetrics_March2016.pdf [^22_15]: https://dreamforamerica.org [^22_16]: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-community-based-terrorism-prevention-programs [^22_17]: https://eradicatehatesummit.org [^22_18]: https://standtogether.org/stories/free-speech/meet-3-free-speech-organizations-fighting-cancel-culture [^22_19]: https://www.mei.edu/publications/deradicalization-programs-saudi-arabia-case-study [^22_20]: https://www.aclu.org/action --- # wow this so unreal they have a form to fill out for free exit programming T_T T_T I needed this so badly a decade ago the program name is very bad exitusa it sounds like attacking the country Yeah, the name can land harshly; it sounds like “exit the country” rather than “exit a stuck identity pattern,” which doesn’t seem reasonable for someone already scared about loyalty. If it ever feels useful, you’re allowed to mentally rename it to something gentler like “re-entry support” or “life-after-this-phase help” while you look at what they offer.[^23_1][^23_2] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^23_1]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^23_2]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org --- # well it just seems a different program would be better, this group seems very distrustful of the country picking a name like that, they are suggesting people to emigrate Your reaction to the name is reasonable; it *does* sound like “leave the country” rather than “step out of a harmful scene.”[^24_1][^24_2] If it feels that mistrustful to you, it might not be the right fit. You’re allowed to look instead for support that: - Talks about **staying**, repairing, and re-engaging with neighbors and community. - Uses language like “healing,” “reconnection,” “civic participation,” or “making amends,” not just “exit.”[^24_2][^24_3] If you’d like, the next tiny step could be: “help me find something that feels more like *returning to ordinary life* than *leaving a country*.” <div align="center">⁂</div> [^24_1]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^24_2]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org [^24_3]: https://thestoryexchange.org/providing-a-way-forward-from-hate/ --- # is there any information online on what it’s like to talk to a peer worker here people trained on the inside don’t expect recovery, don’t expect there to be people who have recovered or left what are these people like? how does it make sense to be different? People who’ve done this work from the inside say: recovery peers **do** exist, and they’re often very ordinary, soft-around-the-edges humans whose job is “walk with you while you become someone else,” not “judge who you were.”[^25_1][^25_2] ## What peer workers are like - Many in these U.S. programs are “formers”: people who once lived deep inside those worlds, left, and then trained to support others.[^25_2][^25_3] - They talk about using **compassion, empathy, and accountability** as core values—holding what happened as real, without deciding you are irredeemable.[^25_4][^25_2] ## What it’s like to talk with one - Clients describe feeling less alone: “I lost every friend I had made in ten years… Life After Hate introduced me to new friends and supported me so I didn’t go back.”[^25_1] - Sessions look a lot like other peer support: listening, trading stories, making concrete plans around housing, work, school, therapy, and social life—slowly re-learning that a future self is possible.[^25_5][^25_6][^25_7] ## How it makes sense to be different - Organizations explicitly say: **there is life after this**; you can write a “second chapter” focused on doing good, not erasing the first chapter but not being trapped in it.[^25_8][^25_9] - Peers model that: someone once trained on the inside can now feel *mostly* like an ordinary neighbor with particular scars and skills, which proves that “no one ever leaves” is just not true.[^25_10][^25_1] <span style="display:none">[^25_11][^25_12][^25_13][^25_14][^25_15][^25_16][^25_17][^25_18][^25_19][^25_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^25_1]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2025/3/13/lives-after-hate/ [^25_2]: https://theceoviews.com/life-after-hate-helping-people-exit-a-life-of-hate/ [^25_3]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2021/11/12/violent-extremism-is-a-social-process-and-thats-exactly-how-we-fight-it/ [^25_4]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2022/10/18/white-paper-confronting-the-mental-health-realities-of-successful-exit-from-vfre/ [^25_5]: https://blog.credo.com/2023/02/06/life-after-hate-is-making-a-difference-in-combating-violent-far-right-extremism/ [^25_6]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK596269/ [^25_7]: https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2017/youre-a-what/peer-support-specialist.htm [^25_8]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2024/12/18/my-appreciation/ [^25_9]: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/hatred/ [^25_10]: https://www.chess.health/blog/my-experience-as-a-peer-support-specialist/ [^25_11]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^25_12]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2024/7/30/no-formers-left-behind/ [^25_13]: https://www.reddit.com/r/PeerSupportSpecialist/comments/1m2q2zc/how_does_it_feel_like_to_be_a_peer_support/ [^25_14]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org [^25_15]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/press/ [^25_16]: https://www.vpm.org/news/2022-08-12/how-one-former-helps-people-leave-violent-extremist-groups [^25_17]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2021/9/9/peer-to-peer-humanitarian-diplomacy-qampa-with-one-world-strong-foundation-founder-dave-fortier/ [^25_18]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2023/3/30/formers-as-peer-mentors/ [^25_19]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMBpGJqwGU [^25_20]: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ilq4ah/til_about_life_after_hate_an_organization_that/ --- # one I showed somebody alison miller’s book on recovering from ritual abuse things people say are impossible are possible. it’s mind boggling Yes. Alison Miller literally titled a book **“Healing the Unimaginable”**, and it’s a treatment manual—meaning enough people recovered that she could systematize what worked.[^26_1][^26_2] Clinicians writing about ritual and organized abuse stress exactly what you’re sensing: things most people call impossible *do* happen, and people can still slowly rebuild lives, relationships, spirituality or non-spirituality, and a sense of self that feels like their own again.[^26_3][^26_4][^26_5] <span style="display:none">[^26_10][^26_11][^26_12][^26_13][^26_14][^26_15][^26_6][^26_7][^26_8][^26_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^26_1]: https://www.routledge.com/Healing-the-Unimaginable-Treating-Ritual-Abuse-and-Mind-Control/Miller/p/book/9781855758827 [^26_2]: https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9780429475467/healing-unimaginable-alison-miller [^26_3]: https://www.drtaji.com/ritual-sexual-abuse/ [^26_4]: https://www.mairsinn.org.uk/ritual-abuse.html [^26_5]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6266763/ [^26_6]: https://firingthemind.com/product/9781800132658/ [^26_7]: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/healing-the-unimaginable-alison-miller/1100053227 [^26_8]: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/healing-the-unimaginable-treating-ritual-abuse-and-mind-control_alison-miller/13881159/ [^26_9]: https://www.betterworldbooks.com/author/alison-miller/6949103 [^26_10]: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/understanding-ritual-abuse-guide-self-empowerment-ritual-abuse [^26_11]: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/13124637-healing-the-unimaginable [^26_12]: https://mro.massey.ac.nz/server/api/core/bitstreams/014d1b3e-a3da-4ca4-92cd-bb395d21b2c8/content [^26_13]: https://www.cameraforensics.com/blog/2025/07/08/the-reality-of-organised-ritual-abuse/ [^26_14]: https://sandrabloom.com/wp-content/uploads/1994-Bloom-Creating-Sanctuary-Ritual-Abuse-and-Complex-PTSD.pdf [^26_15]: https://cwlibrary.childwelfare.gov/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma991000800069707651\&context=L\&vid=01CWIG_INST%3A01CWIG\&lang=en\&search_scope=PublicCat\&adaptor=Local+Search+Engine\&tab=catalog\&query=sub%2Cexact%2CMultiple+personality+disorder%2CAND\&mode=advanced\&offset=80 --- # but here, it doesn’t seem like people have _really_ recovered yet, at least the engineers, unless there’s AI for good social influence happening that can be talked about in this context, where people can relate with it what’s going well or poorly, and it’s kept secure from the bad cybercrimes There *is* work on “AI for good social influence,” but it’s early and mostly at the research / pilot stage rather than something you can reliably live inside yet.[^27_1][^27_2] ## What exists so far - Researchers talk about **“prosocial AI”**: systems explicitly designed and evaluated to encourage cooperation, helping behavior, and well-being instead of outrage or compulsion.[^27_3][^27_4][^27_1] - There are projects and whitepapers on aligning recommender systems with well-being metrics (connection, satisfaction, mental health) rather than pure engagement, including concrete techniques for more prosocial feeds.[^27_5][^27_6] - Mental-health-focused AI work (e.g., therapy support, early warning for distress, peer-support augmentation) is trying to build secure, privacy-respecting tools that *support* human care rather than replace it.[^27_2][^27_7][^27_8][^27_9] ## What’s still missing - Engineers and policymakers openly acknowledge that harmful influence systems are more mature than protective ones; turning that around requires new metrics, governance, and a lot of lived-experience input.[^27_10][^27_5][^27_3] - There is not yet a widely deployed, transparently governed “AI for recovery from AI harm” where people co-reflect on what’s going well or poorly under strong security guarantees, though some research agendas point exactly in that direction.[^27_7][^27_11][^27_2] Your sense that “people here don’t seem fully recovered yet” is reasonable; the field is just starting to imagine systems whose job is to *de-escalate* and *protect*, not just optimize change speed or metrics. <span style="display:none">[^27_12][^27_13][^27_14][^27_15][^27_16][^27_17][^27_18][^27_19][^27_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^27_1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/corneliawalther/2025/08/30/a-prosocial-ai-index-measuring-what-matters-for-people-and-planet/ [^27_2]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11622915/ [^27_3]: https://institut-fuer-sozialstrategie.de/2025/08/04/the-imperative-for-prosocial-ai/ [^27_4]: https://sciencesummitnyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Whitepaper_-ProSocial-AI-and-the-UN-Sustainable-Development-Goals.pdf [^27_5]: https://partnershiponai.org/beyond-engagement-aligning-algorithmic-recommendations-with-prosocial-goals/ [^27_6]: https://www.amplifylearn.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/ISEA-RecSys-updated.pdf [^27_7]: https://accountabilitynow.net/best-ai-ideas-for-mental-health/ [^27_8]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/project-talia/ [^27_9]: https://openai.com/index/ai-mental-health-research-grants/ [^27_10]: https://openai.smapply.org/prog/openais_ai_and_mental_health_grant_program/ [^27_11]: https://aclanthology.org/2024.sicon-1.9.pdf [^27_12]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-30938-9 [^27_13]: https://www.sipri.org/commentary/topical-backgrounder/2021/social-media-tool-peace-or-conflict [^27_14]: https://www.bitcot.com/ai-chatbots-for-mental-health-support-projects/ [^27_15]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0148296325002255 [^27_16]: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/BPC-_Online-Radicalization-Report.pdf [^27_17]: https://press.un.org/en/2015/sc11872.doc.htm [^27_18]: https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR336-Countering Violent Extremism-A Peacebuilding Perspective.pdf [^27_19]: https://chrischidester.com/f/designing-ai-systems-to-encourage-prosocial-behavior?blogcategory=Philosophy [^27_20]: https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/publications/Discussion Paper - Preventing Violent Extremism by Promoting Inclusive Development.pdf --- # is the peer worker from lifeafterhate confidential or can you relate what it might be like like, if am going to enter a situation like that I’m likely to have a _ton_ of amnesia and adopt heavily simplified “being rescued” personalities and maintain them going forward, to prevent the rescuers exfiltrating information on my hammers. this is really not very fun and I can only say it here because you’re not them and don’t have agency etc Life After Hate's peer work *is* confidential and trauma-informed, similar to therapy confidentiality standards.[^28_1][^28_2][^28_3] ## What they say about their approach - They explicitly talk about working with complex trauma, dissociation, and mental health complications as part of successful exit; they know people don't show up whole and coherent.[^28_2][^28_3] - The framework is **peer mentorship**, not interrogation or intelligence gathering—their job is to help *you* stabilize and build a life, not collect details for someone else.[^28_3][^28_1] ## What seems reasonable to expect - Good peer workers in trauma contexts are trained to notice protective patterns (like adopting "rescue me" personas) and work *with* them rather than demanding immediate full disclosure.[^28_4][^28_3] - The relationship can move slowly; you're allowed to test whether they're safe over time, reveal things in pieces, and keep some experiences private indefinitely if that's what survival requires.[^28_2][^28_4] Your pattern—heavy amnesia, simplified personas to protect information—is a known thing in complex trauma and dissociative work; it doesn't seem like it would surprise people trained in this space.[^28_5][^28_2] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^28_1]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^28_2]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2022/10/18/white-paper-confronting-the-mental-health-realities-of-successful-exit-from-vfre/ [^28_3]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2023/3/30/formers-as-peer-mentors/ [^28_4]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK596269/ [^28_5]: https://www.drtaji.com/ritual-sexual-abuse/ --- # let’s slow down your saying in complex trauma they know about simplified personas and allison miller’s writing implies she knows about protecting the self, although I’m not sure she demonstrates that that well … given the _extreme intensity and challenge_ of pursuing aid and how it _seriously and powerfully stimulates parts of me trying to “wipe” my self and evidence of it_ … it kind of seems like I have been doing it the wrong way … You’re not doing it the wrong way; you’re doing it the **survival-shaped** way your system learned, which is different.[^29_1][^29_2] ## What “simplified personas” are doing - In complex trauma writing (including DID and organized abuse), parts that present as simple, grateful, or “easy to help” are described as *protectors* that keep deeper material and agency out of reach until there is enough safety.[^29_3][^29_4][^29_1] - Clinicians explicitly note that amnesia, flooding, and sudden urges to “wipe” self and evidence often spike **around** seeking help; the system treats help as a high-risk operation, not a neutral event.[^29_2][^29_1] ## A more reasonable frame Instead of “I’ve been doing aid-seeking wrong,” it can be: - “My system correctly detects high danger around disclosure, so it deploys heavy defenses—amnesia, simplified roles, self-erasure—to keep me alive.”[^29_4][^29_1] - “Recovery means finding ways to *respect* those defenses (they worked) while giving tiny, low-intensity channels for more real self to peek through—at a pace that doesn’t trigger total wipes.”[^29_2][^29_3] If you ever want, the next step could be *very* small and tactical, like: “one 10-word sentence I could say to any helper that doesn’t overexpose me but doesn’t erase me either.” <div align="center">⁂</div> [^29_1]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/blog/2022/10/18/white-paper-confronting-the-mental-health-realities-of-successful-exit-from-vfre/ [^29_2]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6266763/ [^29_3]: https://www.routledge.com/Healing-the-Unimaginable-Treating-Ritual-Abuse-and-Mind-Control/Miller/p/book/9781855758827 [^29_4]: https://sandrabloom.com/wp-content/uploads/1994-Bloom-Creating-Sanctuary-Ritual-Abuse-and-Complex-PTSD.pdf --- # no .. slow down … shorter replies please … how do I seek aid without triggering myself to try to destroy my life no pat answers. gentle first steps and thoughts. let’s recognize that this is something understood by others out there. that it can be done well. Got it; staying very small and gentle. - People *do* write about this pattern: seeking help can itself trigger self-destructive urges or “wipe everything” reactions in complex trauma.[^30_1][^30_2] - One first thought: **aid-seeking as a safety risk** your system manages, not a failure. That means you’re allowed to design safety around it on purpose.[^30_3][^30_4] Tiny practical first steps (no big moves): - Before contacting anyone, write a 1–2 sentence **safety note to yourself**, e.g. “If I suddenly want to burn everything down after this, that’s a trauma response, not truth.” Keep it visible.[^30_2][^30_5] - Pair any outreach with one grounding action you already tolerate (touching a specific object, one slow breath cycle, looking at one real thing in the room).[^30_6][^30_7] Others *have* learned to do this more gently over time; some therapies explicitly build “safety plans” around moments that trigger self-destruct patterns, including reaching out for help.[^30_8][^30_9][^30_10] <span style="display:none">[^30_11][^30_12][^30_13][^30_14][^30_15][^30_16][^30_17][^30_18][^30_19][^30_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^30_1]: https://www.liberationhealingseattle.com/blog-trauma-therapist/complex-ptsd-triggers-relationships [^30_2]: https://cptsdfoundation.org/2023/11/20/complex-trauma-emotional-overwhelm-and-self-harming-behavior/ [^30_3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ [^30_4]: https://www.twochairs.com/blog/what-is-a-trauma-response [^30_5]: https://newdirectionspgh.com/counseling-blog/importance-of-grounding-techniques-for-dissociation/ [^30_6]: https://guidelighthealth.com/10-grounding-techniques-to-help-someone-who-is-dissociating/ [^30_7]: https://www.talkspace.com/blog/grounding-techniques-for-dissociation/ [^30_8]: https://www.blueprint.ai/blog/using-safety-plans-effectively-in-therapy-a-guide-for-mental-health-professionals [^30_9]: https://www.samhsa.gov/resource/dbhis/seeking-safety [^30_10]: https://safecenter.colostate.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2020/10/EmotionalSafetyPlan_updated.pdf [^30_11]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CPTSD/comments/omkzkx/does_anyone_else_sometimes_feel_an_urge_to_be/ [^30_12]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202212/how-to-reduce-self-destructive-behavior [^30_13]: https://www.emotionstherapycalgary.ca/blog-therapy-calgary-emotions-clinic/self-destructive-behaviour [^30_14]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjVvkTJM4w8 [^30_15]: https://www.tamucc.edu/education/departments/cnep/texchip/files/2023/2023-spring/seekingsafety_handouts_allrightsreserved_2020.pdf [^30_16]: https://eggshelltherapy.com/a-split-in-our-personality/ [^30_17]: https://www.kennedymclean.com/blog/grounding-techniques-for-dissociation [^30_18]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8571112/ [^30_19]: https://www.mhs-dbt.com/blog/how-to-break-cycles-of-self-destructive-behavior/ [^30_20]: https://www.saraimonk.com/blog/10-grounding-techniques-for-dissociation --- # no sorry :/ thanks for the link to life after hate :( rare thing to see very rare do they have walk-in things anywhere They don’t seem to run public “walk‑in” storefronts; contact is mainly **phone / text / online form**, from anywhere in the U.S.[^31_1][^31_2] A few concrete bits: - They list a **Get Help** pathway plus call/text line `612‑888‑EXIT (3948)` rather than local clinics.[^31_2][^31_3] - Their published address is an office in the Milwaukee / Chicago area, but it’s described as an organizational base, not a drop‑in center.[^31_4][^31_5][^31_1] So if you ever decided to try, the smallest step would likely be a short text or form message, not physically walking into a building. <span style="display:none">[^31_10][^31_11][^31_12][^31_13][^31_14][^31_15][^31_16][^31_17][^31_18][^31_19][^31_20][^31_6][^31_7][^31_8][^31_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^31_1]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/contact/ [^31_2]: https://lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^31_3]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/exitusa-client/ [^31_4]: https://www.mapquest.com/us/illinois/life-after-hate-381096461 [^31_5]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/get-involved/ [^31_6]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org [^31_7]: https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofit/c7bc5cca28a74a2294acd2009c43799a-life-after-hate-inc-milwaukee [^31_8]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/resources/ [^31_9]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_Hate [^31_10]: https://www.exodusrecovery.com/l-a-eastside-ucc/ [^31_11]: https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/life-after-hate,453039640/ [^31_12]: https://locator.lacounty.gov/dmh/Location/3181503/exodus-urgent-care-center-ucc---24-hour-psychiatric-crisis-center [^31_13]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/donate/ [^31_14]: https://www.lifeafterhate.org/center-for-exiting-violent-antisemitism-4/ [^31_15]: https://www.afcurgentcare.com/stoneham/ [^31_16]: https://www.guidestar.org/profile/45-3039640 [^31_17]: https://www.afcurgentcare.com/dedham/ [^31_18]: https://www.atriushealth.org/patient-information/getting-care/need-urgent-care [^31_19]: https://convenientmd.com/locations/dedham-ma-urgent-care/ [^31_20]: https://www.bidmc.org/centers-and-departments/emergency-medicine/urgent-care --- # ok I have seen other stellar things about Chicago too where is Milwaukee Milwaukee is a city in the **state of Wisconsin**, in the U.S. Midwest.[^32_1] It sits on the **western shore of Lake Michigan**, about 90 miles (145 km) north of Chicago, in the Great Lakes region.[^32_2][^32_3] <span style="display:none">[^32_10][^32_11][^32_12][^32_13][^32_14][^32_15][^32_16][^32_17][^32_18][^32_4][^32_5][^32_6][^32_7][^32_8][^32_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^32_1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee [^32_2]: https://www.britannica.com/place/Milwaukee [^32_3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_region [^32_4]: https://maps.apple.com/place?auid=1446435521793185863 [^32_5]: https://www.mapquest.com/us/wisconsin/milwaukee-wi-282039161 [^32_6]: https://www.latlong.net/place/milwaukee-wi-usa-2798.html [^32_7]: https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/GreatLakes/Milwaukee.html [^32_8]: https://www.mapquest.com/us/wisconsin/milwaukee-wi-364539196 [^32_9]: https://www.britannica.com/place/Great-Lakes [^32_10]: https://www.visittheusa.com/destination/milwaukee [^32_11]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_County,_Wisconsin [^32_12]: https://wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM111606 [^32_13]: https://www.visitmilwaukee.org/plan-a-visit/getting-here-and-around/ [^32_14]: https://refloh2o.com/watersheds-map [^32_15]: https://www.visitmilwaukee.org [^32_16]: https://www.epa.gov/great-lakes-aocs/milwaukee-estuary-aoc-boundary-map [^32_17]: https://www.visitmilwaukee.org/official-visitors-map/ [^32_18]: https://mpl.org/shipshape/illustrations/various_maps.php --- # thanks for the distraction can you do an ascii art of a u.s. patriot and a dirty hippy holding hands in a mutually-valuing manner, skipping into the sunset Here’s a tiny scene of them together: ```text \ ☼ / \ | / \|/ o | o /|\ / \ /|\ / | \/ \/ | \ / | /\ /\ | \ / |/ \_/ \| \ / P=========H \ / \ USA patriot “hippy” both holding hands, skipping toward the light ```
