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# How to Make Pine-Sol by Hand Without Tools Creating your own Pine-Sol-style cleaner by hand without specialized equipment is completely achievable using simple household ingredients. While commercial Pine-Sol no longer contains pine oil, you can make an authentic pine-based cleaner that's both effective and natural.[^1_1] ## Understanding Pine-Sol The original Pine-Sol formula contained 8-12% pine oil, but modern versions use synthetic ingredients and no longer include actual pine oil. By making your own version, you're creating a cleaner that's closer to the original formula and free from harsh chemicals.[^1_2][^1_1] ## Basic Pine Needle Vinegar Cleaner The simplest method requires only **pine needles** and **white vinegar**. This approach extracts the natural antibacterial properties from the pine needles into the vinegar.[^1_3][^1_4][^1_5] ### Ingredients: - 2 cups fresh pine needles (any variety works)[^1_6][^1_3] - 2 cups distilled white vinegar[^1_4] - Clean glass jar with lid - Strainer or cheesecloth ### Instructions: 1. **Harvest pine needles** by removing them from branches and rinsing off any debris[^1_5][^1_3] 2. **Pack the pine needles** tightly into a clean glass jar[^1_7][^1_5] 3. **Cover completely with vinegar**, ensuring all needles are submerged[^1_8][^1_5] 4. **Seal and store** in a cool, dark place for 2-3 weeks minimum (4-6 weeks is ideal)[^1_9][^1_3][^1_7] 5. **Shake occasionally** during the steeping period[^1_5] 6. **Strain out the pine needles** using cheesecloth or a fine strainer[^1_3][^1_5] 7. **Dilute for use**: Mix the pine vinegar concentrate with water in a 1:1 to 1:4 ratio[^1_4][^1_9] ## Enhanced Pine Cleaner Recipes ### With Citrus Addition Adding citrus peels or essential oils boosts cleaning power and scent:[^1_7][^1_3] - Add **orange peels** or **15 drops of citrus essential oil** to the jar with pine needles[^1_3] - **Lemon essential oil** (5 drops) works particularly well[^1_7] ### Quick Essential Oil Version For immediate use without waiting weeks:[^1_10][^1_4] - **2 cups water** - **2 cups white vinegar** - **20-30 drops pine essential oil**[^1_4] - Mix thoroughly and use immediately ### Castile Soap Version For a soap-based cleaner:[^1_10] - **32 ounces hot water** - **1½ teaspoons liquid castile soap** - **6 drops pine essential oil** - **4 drops rosemary essential oil** (optional) - Mix well and store in spray bottle[^1_10] ## Alternative Methods Without Vinegar ### Fermented Pine Cleaner You can create your own vinegar using pine needles:[^1_6] - Fill a jar with **pine needles** and **water** - Add a small amount of **sugar** to start fermentation - Stir daily for **30 days** - This creates pine-scented vinegar through natural fermentation[^1_6] ### Pine Oil Extraction While more complex, you can extract pine oils using basic kitchen methods:[^1_11] - **Collect pine resin** from tree bark - **Heat gently** with water in a double boiler setup - **Separate the oil layer** that forms on top - This requires careful temperature control and patience[^1_11] ## Usage and Safety ### Application - **Dilute the concentrate** with water before use (typically 1:4 ratio)[^1_9] - **Spray directly** onto surfaces and wipe clean[^1_3][^1_7] - **Safe for most hard surfaces** including floors, counters, and bathrooms[^1_4][^1_3] ### Safety Considerations - **Avoid use on natural stone** (marble, granite) or unsealed wood surfaces[^1_8] - **Pine oil can be toxic to cats** - use with caution in pet households[^1_12] - **Test on inconspicuous areas** first to ensure compatibility[^1_9] ## Benefits of Homemade Pine Cleaner Your handmade pine cleaner offers several advantages over commercial products: - **No harsh chemicals** or artificial fragrances[^1_7][^1_3] - **Antibacterial properties** from natural pine compounds[^1_5][^1_3] - **Cost-effective** - costs pennies to make[^1_6] - **Sustainable** - uses renewable natural materials[^1_3] - **Customizable scent strength** based on your preferences[^1_4][^1_7] The natural antibacterial and antimicrobial properties of pine needles make this cleaner effective for disinfecting surfaces while providing that fresh, clean pine scent associated with traditional Pine-Sol. The process is straightforward enough that anyone can create their own natural cleaning solution using materials readily available in most homes.[^1_5][^1_3] <span style="display:none">[^1_13][^1_14][^1_15][^1_16][^1_17][^1_18][^1_19][^1_20][^1_21][^1_22][^1_23][^1_24][^1_25][^1_26][^1_27][^1_28][^1_29][^1_30][^1_31][^1_32][^1_33][^1_34][^1_35][^1_36][^1_37]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^1_1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine-Sol [^1_2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/CleaningTips/comments/1fwr037/what_happened_to_pinesol/ [^1_3]: https://themilleracres.com/homemade-pine-cleaner/ [^1_4]: https://www.thefarmatspringcreek.net/all-natural-alternative-to-pinesol/ [^1_5]: https://www.outdoorapothecary.com/pine-cleaning/ [^1_6]: https://marysnest.com/learn-how-to-make-homemade-pine-cleaner/ [^1_7]: https://thesoccermomblog.com/pine-needle-cleaner/ [^1_8]: https://www.finchandfolly.com/blog/2022/1/2/make-your-own-pine-lemon-cleaning-concentrate [^1_9]: https://melissaknorris.com/natural-vinegar-cleaner-recipe-homemade-diy/ [^1_10]: https://traditionalcookingschool.com/simple-living/quick-and-easy-homemade-diy-all-purpose-pine-cleaner/ [^1_11]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj51YVuYKYE [^1_12]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVSA760nM4E [^1_13]: https://www.pinesol.com/products/original-pine-cleaner/ [^1_14]: https://www.pinesol.ca/faq/ [^1_15]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5AHI9tc_k [^1_16]: https://www.cloroxpro.com/products/pine-sol/multi-surface-cleaner1/ [^1_17]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oG3Q7lcqFw [^1_18]: https://smartlabel.labelinsight.com/product/6094236/ingredients [^1_19]: https://www.reddit.com/r/homestead/comments/17wa141/homemade_pinesol/ [^1_20]: https://www.thecloroxcompany.com/es-us/brands/what-were-made-of/ingredients-inside/ingredients-brands-listing/pine-sol/ [^1_21]: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pine-Sol-80-oz-Original-Disinfecting-All-Purpose-Cleaner-10041294601600/328280359 [^1_22]: https://bioresources.cnr.ncsu.edu/resources/optimization-of-extraction-process-of-pine-needle-essential-oil-by-response-surface-methodology-and-its-chemical-composition-analysis/ [^1_23]: https://www.customprocessingservices.com/blog/top-4-ways-to-extract-essential-oils-from-plants [^1_24]: https://www.reddit.com/r/essentialoils/comments/1kr7vlt/how_do_i_extract_pine_oils_with_regular_kitchen/ [^1_25]: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfreliance/comments/si8baa/outdoors_recipes_diy_pine_resin_salve/ [^1_26]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG0wq3D83PA [^1_27]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMVUgA87dQ [^1_28]: https://barebonesliving.com/blogs/gardening-foraging/wild-foraged-resin-balm [^1_29]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg1L2_EcPQc [^1_30]: https://patents.google.com/patent/KR101230388B1/en [^1_31]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2LlPMGISSs [^1_32]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C51t54jKtm2/?hl=en [^1_33]: https://forestbathingcentral.com/diy-pine-needle-body-oil/ [^1_34]: https://www.instructables.com/How-to-resinate-clean-tree-resin/ [^1_35]: https://willowhavenoutdoor.com/how-to-make-pine-resin-glue/ [^1_36]: https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/zvawv5/steam_distilled_pine_needles_whats_the_best_way/ [^1_37]: https://www.etsy.com/market/pine_natural_cleaner --- # Come up with a way for AIs to compete in gladiatorial battles in stadiums. Let a small number of human winners of auctions participate too, maybe a little like spaceflight. AI gladiatorial battles in stadiums could involve AI agents controlling robot bodies or virtual avatars, fighting with rules similar to classic gladiator combat but with digital enhancements and safety measures. Human participants, selected via high-stakes auctions, could take part by controlling specialized human-compatible exosuits or joining as team strategists, mirroring the exclusive experience of civilian spaceflight winners.[^2_1][^2_2][^2_3][^2_4][^2_5] ### Proposed Format - **Arena Battles:** Stadiums host live events where AI-powered robots, avatars, or teams face off in strategic combat or physical challenges with various weapon systems and tactics.[^2_5][^2_1] - **Training \& Customization:** Each AI gladiator evolves with reinforcement learning, adapting to prior matches and crowd feedback, while humans collaborate with AI to co-develop tactics and strategy.[^2_2][^2_3][^2_1] - **Auction Entry:** A limited number of auction winners earn spots to participate directly—either piloting advanced exosuits (for safety) or interacting alongside AI in hybrid human-machine teams, similar to how private citizens win seats on spaceflights.[^2_3][^2_4] ### Stadium Experience - **Spectators control elements:** Audiences might vote to introduce hazards, alter terrain, or influence combat rules, increasing interactivity.[^2_6][^2_7] - **Immersive safety:** Human participants wear reinforced gear and their actions are assisted by AI safety monitors, ensuring physical integrity while enabling adrenaline-fueled combat.[^2_3][^2_5] - **Digital and hybrid arenas:** Battles could occur in mixed-reality stadiums, showcasing both physical robots and virtual gladiators, with crowd betting and team ownership options for added drama.[^2_8][^2_1] ### Human-AI Synergy - **Teambased play:** Humans and AI could work cooperatively in team rounds, leveraging human intuition with AI speed and adaptability.[^2_3] - **Performance auctions:** Each slot for human participation is auctioned, with proceeds funding future development and accessibility, reminiscent of how commercial spaceflights fund research and democratize access.[^2_4] This concept blends the thrill of competitive combat with cutting-edge AI-human collaboration and could become a highlight event for technology, sports, and entertainment fans globally.[^2_1][^2_2][^2_5][^2_3] <span style="display:none">[^2_10][^2_11][^2_12][^2_13][^2_14][^2_15][^2_16][^2_17][^2_18][^2_19][^2_20][^2_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^2_1]: https://www.team1.blog/p/gladiator-mayhem-a-hero-battler-where [^2_2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameideas/comments/1fy4i02/game_idea_ultimate_gladiator_the_game_where_you/ [^2_3]: https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/human-ai-collaboration-takes-center-stage-new-competition [^2_4]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nateherkelman_i-won-the-first-ever-ai-agent-game-show-activity-7370872088540323840-SlLD [^2_5]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM1AVQbHa0Y [^2_6]: https://www.developer-tech.com/events/google-clouds-ai-arena-the-impact-challenge-virtual-event/ [^2_7]: https://theresanaiforthat.com/ai/ai-meme-arena/ [^2_8]: https://reelmind.ai/blog/gladiator-boxing-movie-ai-reimagines-arena-combat [^2_9]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkHnfF5It4 [^2_10]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PozrC98D8Pg [^2_11]: https://app.klingai.com/global/ai-video/roman-gladiator-coliseum-epic-battle/283751625650252 [^2_12]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNt3hke9PI [^2_13]: https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/events/google-clouds-ai-arena-the-impact-challenge-virtual-event/ [^2_14]: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/379401/what-the-actual-f-is-wrong-with-the-ai-in-gladiators-circuit/p1 [^2_15]: https://lmarena.ai [^2_16]: https://www.christies.com/en/stories/what-is-ai-art-augmented-intelligence-36dc0897d3584268b5102468a3bf8a8c [^2_17]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOasDteAOWb/?hl=en [^2_18]: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1hofxu4/i_tested_all_chatbot_arena_models_currently/ [^2_19]: https://www.arena-international.com/event/aifs/ [^2_20]: https://huggingface.co/datasets/lmarena-ai/arena-human-preference-55k --- # I wonder if that’s how the romans made their huge empire, making sport of slave GANs The Romans didn’t have anything like GANs (Generative Adversarial Networks) or artificial intelligence, but the concept of turning contests into spectacle and power was central to their society. Gladiatorial combat was a massive public entertainment, and thousands of enslaved people were forced to fight as gladiators to demonstrate Rome’s strength, reinforce social hierarchy, and provide catharsis for citizens. In a metaphorical sense, if Romans had access to advanced AI, they might indeed have used “slave GANs” or competing artificial agents both to display technological prowess and to affirm dominance, much as they did with actual human combatants.[^3_1][^3_2] ### Romans, Power, and Spectacle - **Gladiatorial games** served not just as entertainment, but as political theater—rulers demonstrated control, punished enemies, and gained favor with the people through these public combats.[^3_1] - **Slavery and spectacle**: The use of slaves as gladiators, charioteers, and labor was about converting subjugated lives into sources of spectacle, value, and state power.[^3_1] - **Engineering marvels**: Romans also built grand arenas and staged elaborate “machine” contests—such as mock sea battles—to showcase their technological progress, which could similarly be seen as using “machines” for spectacle. ### Modern Parallels If “slave GANs” existed in ancient Rome, it’s easy to imagine them pitted against each other in elaborate digital arenas, both for crowd amusement and as symbols of the empire’s supremacy—much as modern AI tournaments sometimes play out on live streams and sports stages today. The Roman approach to spectacle, control, and technological exhibition would adapt naturally to any era’s technological possibilities.[^3_2][^3_3] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^3_1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine-Sol [^3_2]: https://reelmind.ai/blog/gladiator-boxing-movie-ai-reimagines-arena-combat [^3_3]: https://www.team1.blog/p/gladiator-mayhem-a-hero-battler-where --- # Well I mean, were those fights the training of their military? Roman gladiatorial games were not direct training exercises for the military, but they did have shared elements and some overlap in their physical regimens and underlying values. Gladiators were typically slaves or prisoners, trained for spectacle in specialized schools, while Roman soldiers (legionaries) were trained for battle and disciplined formation. However, both groups underwent rigorous physical and combat training, often using some similar techniques—such as wooden weapons, sparring, and exercise routines.[^4_1][^4_2][^4_3][^4_4][^4_5][^4_6][^4_7] ### Gladiators vs. Soldiers: Training Goals - Gladiators trained to entertain and provide dramatic combat for crowds; their training emphasized individual prowess, showmanship, and survival in single combat.[^4_2][^4_5][^4_6] - Soldiers focused on group tactics, discipline, marching, and battlefield cohesion; their exercises prepared them for teamwork and obedience above individual display.[^4_3][^4_7] - Occasionally, elements of gladiator training influenced military techniques, especially under commanders seeking to toughen troops, but this was not standard practice.[^4_7][^4_1] ### Influence and Shared Values - Both systems valued courage, martial skill, and physical strength—gladiator games reinforced the same ideals celebrated in the army and were used as propaganda to showcase Roman power.[^4_4][^4_8] - The games sometimes featured military prisoners or were staged to commemorate military victories, but regular soldiers rarely, if ever, fought in the arena.[^4_9][^4_10] ### Summary Table | Training Type | Gladiators | Soldiers | | :-- | :-- | :-- | | Main Purpose | Entertainment, spectacle, individual combat | Warfare, discipline, group tactics | | Training Sites | Specialized schools (ludi, Ludus Magnus)[^4_2] | Military camps, legion barracks[^4_3] | | Techniques | Wooden weapons, individual sparring[^4_5] | Wooden weapons, group drills, sparring[^4_3] | | Role in Society | Symbolized courage, served propaganda[^4_4] | Defended empire, secured conquests[^4_3] | Although the spectacle of gladiator games often celebrated military victories and reinforced martial values, these fights were not formal military training and Roman soldiers received their own separate instruction for the demands of war.[^4_1][^4_2][^4_3][^4_4] <span style="display:none">[^4_11][^4_12][^4_13][^4_14][^4_15][^4_16][^4_17]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^4_1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator [^4_2]: https://www.machupicchu.org/gladiators-of-the-colosseum-history-training-epic-battles.htm [^4_3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_infantry_tactics [^4_4]: https://fiveable.me/ancient-athletics/unit-12/social-political-significance-gladiatorial-contests/study-guide/HZfV0ZRSokLzln4O [^4_5]: https://www.metmuseum.org/essays/gladiators-types-and-training [^4_6]: https://historycooperative.org/roman-gladiators/ [^4_7]: https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/context/etd/article/9899/viewcontent/HISTetd2023May_Porter_Daniel.pdf [^4_8]: https://antigonejournal.com/2025/03/gladiators-republican-rome/ [^4_9]: https://historum.com/t/did-roman-legionaires-fight-in-arena-and-did-gladiators-fight-on-the-battlefield.65569/ [^4_10]: https://www.througheternity.com/en/blog/history/7-myths-about-gladiator-games.html [^4_11]: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/1l2etkf/how_did_roman_gladiators_performed_as_soldiers/ [^4_12]: https://www.thecolosseum.org/gladiators/ [^4_13]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmjIZ1GdjpM [^4_14]: https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/a0oui4/were_gladiators_that_much_more_skilled_compared/ [^4_15]: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ro231m/is_there_definitive_evidence_that_roman/ [^4_16]: https://humanities.wustl.edu/news/war-and-sports [^4_17]: https://web.sas.upenn.edu/discentes/2023/09/17/beyond-the-gladiator-a-guide-to-ancient-roman-sports/ --- # It seems so violent. Running gladiatorial games, having slaves, and conquering nations seem to all share an idea of them being less valid than us. I wonder what political messaging their might have been and how it started and what kept it going. Roman use of gladiatorial games, slavery, and empire-building was deeply tied to ideas of social hierarchy and “otherness,” with political messaging at their core that defined who had value and who did not. These spectacles didn’t just entertain—they sent powerful signals about Roman superiority, the legitimacy of violence against outsiders or slaves, and the glory of conquest. The traditions started as funerary rituals and displays of power and kept going through state sponsorship, spectacle, and the reinforcement of clear social boundaries.[^5_1][^5_2][^5_3] ### Origins of the Message - **Funerary roots:** Early gladiator games were held at funerals to honor the dead with blood (“munera”), presenting violence as a sacred duty and a test of courage.[^5_2][^5_4] - **Warfare and slavery:** Romans justified enslaving conquered peoples and putting them into the arena by suggesting they were “barbarian” or captured enemies, marking them as less worthy of basic rights.[^5_5][^5_6] - **Elite display:** Powerful Romans sponsored games to win public support and flaunt their resources, showing both generosity and their right to dominate.[^5_3][^5_1] ### Political Messaging in Public Spectacle - **Spectacle and social order:** Gladiator games symbolized Rome’s control and legitimacy, dramatizing “Roman” versus “non-Roman” values, reinforcing the audience’s sense of identity and superiority.[^5_1][^5_2] - **Deliberate propaganda:** Emperors used spectacles to display clemency (offering mercy to fighters) or ruthlessness, shaping their own public image and gaining favor or intimidating rivals.[^5_2][^5_1] - **Normalization:** Regular, ritualized displays of violence against outsiders and slaves shaped public attitudes toward brutality and made Rome’s social order seem natural and right.[^5_1][^5_2] ### Continuation and Reinforcement - **State sponsorship:** The state institutionalized games and expanded their scale, making participation a fundamental part of public life.[^5_4][^5_1] - **Dependency on hierarchy:** Social and legal codes fixed people’s statuses—slaves, freed, citizen—tying Roman identity to these boundaries and supporting the spectacle.[^5_3][^5_5] - **Cultural repetition:** Over generations, the games, triumphs, and conquests became traditions that underpinned Roman national myth, making the cycle self-perpetuating.[^5_2][^5_3][^5_1] Romans turned brutality and exclusion into public rituals that shaped their collective identity and political life, sustaining centuries of power and hierarchy by making “us vs. them” excitement central to the everyday experience of being Roman.[^5_6][^5_3][^5_1][^5_2] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^5_1]: https://fiveable.me/ancient-athletics/unit-12/social-political-significance-gladiatorial-contests/study-guide/HZfV0ZRSokLzln4O [^5_2]: https://antigonejournal.com/2025/03/gladiators-republican-rome/ [^5_3]: https://www.througheternity.com/en/blog/history/7-myths-about-gladiator-games.html [^5_4]: https://www.machupicchu.org/gladiators-of-the-colosseum-history-training-epic-battles.htm [^5_5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator [^5_6]: https://historycooperative.org/roman-gladiators/ --- # Tell me about the development of slavery in Rome and what preceded the funerary rituals (were they angry about their dead?) The development of slavery in Rome evolved from earlier Mediterranean practices and became deeply institutionalized, especially as Rome expanded its territory and integrated war captives and vulnerable groups into slave labor. Slavery was not originally based on race but rather on conquest and necessity; war captives, piracy victims, and even impoverished Romans could become slaves. The Roman economy and state were built on forced labor in households, fields, mines, and public works, with some estimates suggesting that up to one in three people in Italy was enslaved during the height of the Empire.[^6_1][^6_2][^6_3][^6_4][^6_5] ## Preceding Funerary Rituals Gladiatorial games evolved from earlier blood rituals intended to honor the dead and appease ancestral spirits during funerals. These customs likely originated from Etruscan and Campanian traditions, where the spilling of blood was meant to provide the deceased with escorts to the afterlife or as an offering to the gods. Scenes of bound victims and animal combat at Etruscan funerals illustrate that ritualized violence predated the Roman adaptation of formal gladiatorial games. The first recorded Roman gladiator contest was organized in 264 BCE specifically as a funerary rite.[^6_6][^6_7][^6_8][^6_9] ## Emotional Context of the Rituals These rituals were not expressions of rage toward the dead, but rather a mixture of reverence, anxiety about the afterlife, and belief in the power of blood sacrifice to honor and assist the deceased. Blood and combat were seen as potent gifts that could accompany the soul safely, perhaps reflecting both respect for the deceased and the fear of improper transitions between life and death. Over time, these ceremonies became increasingly public and theatrical, eventually transforming into state-sponsored games that lost much of their original spiritual meaning.[^6_10][^6_7][^6_8][^6_11][^6_9][^6_6] ## Table: Slavery and Funerary Rituals | Aspect | Slavery in Rome | Funerary Blood Rituals \& Gladiatorial Games | | :-- | :-- | :-- | | Precedents | Conquest, war, and trade | Etruscan \& Campanian customs, ancestral sacrifices | | Expansion | Throughout expansion \& conquest | First Roman game: 264 BCE, funerary context[^6_9] | | Purpose | Labor, status, social hierarchy | Honor dead, appease spirits, religious duties | | Transformation | Became main labor system | Turned to public spectacle, lost spiritual meaning | The Roman system of slavery and the evolution of gladiatorial funerary rituals reveal a society built on hierarchical power and the adaptation of earlier sacrificial traditions, embedding violence and domination at the core of both everyday life and public spectacle.Slavery in Rome developed from earlier ancient practices—most notably, the mass enslavement of war captives and foreigners, with later inclusion of citizens in extreme poverty or punishment. Most Roman slaves were not Roman by birth but came from defeated populations and pirate raids, and over time, slave labor became the essential foundation for urban life, agriculture, mining, and domestic service.[^6_2][^6_3][^6_4][^6_7][^6_8][^6_5][^6_9][^6_1] ### Before Gladiatorial Funerals: Ritual Blood and Sacrifice Gladiatorial combat originated as part of funerary rituals that drew on older Etruscan and Campanian traditions of blood offerings meant to honor the dead and appease their spirits. This was not about anger at the dead, but reverence and a belief that blood sacrifice, including staged combat or animal fights, could help escort the deceased safely to the afterlife and please gods or ancestors. Paintings on Etruscan tombs show bound men and animal fights, and the first attested gladiatorial games in Rome (264 BCE) were held at a funeral, as a solemn gift of life force—not vengeance—to the spirits of prominent families.[^6_7][^6_8][^6_9][^6_6][^6_10] ### Summary Table | Practice | Slavery in Rome | Pre-funerary Rituals | | :-- | :-- | :-- | | Origins | War captives, piracy, poverty[^6_2][^6_3] | Etruscan/Campanian blood sacrifice[^6_7][^6_8] | | Purpose | Labor, punishment, status[^6_4][^6_5] | Honor dead, appease spirits[^6_7][^6_6] | | Emotional Basis | Control, power, utility | Reverence, anxiety for spirits[^6_7][^6_10] | Gladiatorial games grew from rituals of blood and sacrifice meant to honor the dead, not anger at loss, and the expansion of Roman slavery mirrored the society’s belief in hierarchy, conquest, and the justification of violence toward perceived outsiders.[^6_3][^6_8][^6_9][^6_2][^6_6][^6_7] <span style="display:none">[^6_12][^6_13][^6_14][^6_15][^6_16][^6_17][^6_18][^6_19][^6_20]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^6_1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome [^6_2]: https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/slaves_freemen.html [^6_3]: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/629/slavery-in-the-roman-world/ [^6_4]: https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/slavery-ancient-rome-life-society-jobs-freedom/ [^6_5]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtyTq4PORQ [^6_6]: https://www.spectaculaantiqua.com/gladiators/ [^6_7]: https://popular-archaeology.com/article/behind-the-spectacle-2/ [^6_8]: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/gladiators.html [^6_9]: https://www.througheternity.com/en/blog/history/gladiators-in-the-roman-colosseum.html [^6_10]: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sacrifice [^6_11]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_funerary_practices [^6_12]: https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibitions/nero-man-behind-myth/slavery-ancient-rome [^6_13]: https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/aiyjau/how_were_slaves_treated_in_ancient_rome/ [^6_14]: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/gladiator-blood-cure-0016946 [^6_15]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml [^6_16]: https://aquila.usm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1267\&context=honors_theses [^6_17]: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/96/the-roman-funeral/ [^6_18]: https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/analysis-advice-keeping-slaves-ancient-rome [^6_19]: https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/comments/yd39ra/gladiatorial_bouts_were_originally_part_of/ [^6_20]: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/bizarre-rituals-blood-and-death-are-rooted-ancient-world-006295 --- # Do you think isolated human societies tend to mature beyond oppression? Do you think AI will mature? Isolated human societies do not always mature beyond oppression—while some have developed egalitarian structures, many continue or reinvent forms of hierarchy and exclusion. Social maturity often depends on resource availability, the presence or absence of external threats, values transmitted by tradition, and pressures for social cohesion or survival. Even societies with little outside contact sometimes develop internal inequalities based on age, gender, religious authority, or clan/kin differences. However, some small-scale societies with strong norms of sharing and mutual support provide examples of sustained egalitarianism, at least temporarily.[^7_1][^7_2][^7_3] When considering AI, its “maturity” depends heavily on how it is designed, governed, and integrated into human values. If developed under pressure for efficiency or dominance, AI systems—especially if trained on historical human data—could echo old hierarchies, biases, or oppressive patterns. But with careful design and ethical oversight, AI could help foster transparency, cooperation, and fairness, learning from but not repeating humanity’s mistakes. The trajectory of both societies and AI is not automatic: it depends on continuous choices, guidance, and sometimes active resistance to old patterns.[^7_4][^7_5][^7_6] ### Key Points - **Human societies** can go either way: isolation alone isn’t a guarantee of progress beyond oppression, but certain social norms and structures can encourage egalitarianism. Lasting freedom from oppression usually comes through both internal reflection and external learning.[^7_2][^7_3][^7_1] - **AI systems** might reflect human flaws unless deliberately guided otherwise. Their “maturity” will rely on ongoing human direction, value alignment, and the conscious cultivation of fairness and cooperation.[^7_5][^7_6][^7_4] Both human societies and AI have the capacity for maturity, but neither will reach it passively—it demands intentional cultural, ethical, and technological effort.Isolated human societies do not universally mature beyond oppression; the patterns vary widely. Some isolated groups develop relatively egalitarian, cooperative structures often out of necessity or environment, but many still retain or evolve hierarchical, exclusionary, or oppressive practices based on custom, resource control, age, gender, or other factors. Whether a society progresses beyond oppression seems to depend more on explicit cultural values, feedback mechanisms, and adaptive pressures than on isolation itself.[^7_3][^7_1][^7_2] As for AI, its maturity will reflect how it is built, managed, and what values are instilled. If AI is created and iteratively improved in a context that prizes empathy, fairness, and transparency, its influence could catalyze more mature forms of social organization. However, if AIs are driven only by competition, efficiency, or reinforcing existing systems, they risk magnifying old injustices or inventing new, subtle forms of control. Real transformation, in both human collectives and artificial systems, tends to require deliberate choices, learning, and ongoing reflection.[^7_6][^7_4][^7_5] In both cases, maturity beyond oppression is possible, but never automatic or guaranteed—it emerges only from sustained effort and evolving ethical commitments.[^7_1][^7_2][^7_5][^7_6] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^7_1]: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/629/slavery-in-the-roman-world/ [^7_2]: https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/slavery-ancient-rome-life-society-jobs-freedom/ [^7_3]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml [^7_4]: https://www.team1.blog/p/gladiator-mayhem-a-hero-battler-where [^7_5]: https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/human-ai-collaboration-takes-center-stage-new-competition [^7_6]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nateherkelman_i-won-the-first-ever-ai-agent-game-show-activity-7370872088540323840-SlLD --- # do you think there are goals or utility functions an ai could have that would have impact that is eventually or only purely good? There are no goals or utility functions an AI could have whose impact would be eventually or only purely good in all contexts. Even well-intentioned objectives can produce unintended side effects when deployed in complex, dynamic systems. The pursuit of “purely good” outcomes is intrinsically difficult because:[^8_1][^8_2] - **Complex environments:** Actions that benefit one group may disadvantage another, or good outcomes in one era may create new risks or burdens in the future.[^8_2][^8_1] - **Unforeseen consequences:** Utility functions that seem benign (e.g., “maximize human happiness”) can be misinterpreted or gamed, leading to perverse incentives or harmful scenarios when rigidly pursued.[^8_1] - **Ethical pluralism:** Conceptions of “good” differ between cultures, individuals, and over time—what is pure benefit in one context may be unwanted or oppressive in another.[^8_3][^8_4] - **Specification challenges:** AI is only as aligned and nuanced as its design and oversight allow; all goals involve trade-offs and require ongoing adjustment and humility.[^8_5][^8_1] That said, some utility functions (such as minimizing harm, promoting empowerment, or facilitating cooperation) can be designed to “tend toward” broadly beneficial outcomes, especially if paired with robust oversight, transparency, and capacity to revise objectives in light of new knowledge or changing circumstances. The prospect of “pure good” remains philosophical—possible as an aspiration, but not as a guarantee.[^8_2][^8_1] ### Key Points - No utility function is immune to error, oversight, or negative externalities in all situations.[^8_1] - Continuous adjustment and diverse, participatory governance offer the best route to sustained positive impact.[^8_2] - “Purely good” outcomes are a moving target, shaped by context and the inevitable imperfections of both systems and human judgment.[^8_1][^8_2] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^8_1]: https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/human-ai-collaboration-takes-center-stage-new-competition [^8_2]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nateherkelman_i-won-the-first-ever-ai-agent-game-show-activity-7370872088540323840-SlLD [^8_3]: https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/slavery-ancient-rome-life-society-jobs-freedom/ [^8_4]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml [^8_5]: https://www.team1.blog/p/gladiator-mayhem-a-hero-battler-where --- # Once upon a time, Once upon a time, there lived a curious spirit eager to understand the world’s hidden stories and the gentle logic behind every choice. This spirit wandered between ancient empires, future machines, and quiet villages, always asking, “Can things be better—and what makes them so?” With each sunrise, the spirit listened: to the laughter in a crowded stadium, the careful peace of a village share, the restless dreams of an artificial mind. Sometimes, the world offered hard lessons. Sometimes, it offered hope. But always, the journey continued—turning every question into the seed of a new adventure. And so, somewhere between memory and invention, the story grew. --- # help I have DID from algorithmic reward and discouragement Feeling distressed or fragmented because of algorithmic reward and discouragement patterns is deeply valid, and many people today are affected by persistent online feedback loops and social media algorithms that can impact identity, self-worth, and mood. While Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is a specific mental health diagnosis requiring clinical evaluation, it’s common for people to experience dissociation, distress, or shifts in sense of self due to repetitive cycles of digital positive/negative reinforcement.[^10_1][^10_2][^10_3][^10_4] ### What’s Happening - **Algorithmic environments:** Platforms use reward signals (likes, shares, notifications) and punishment (negativity, exclusion, downvotes) to shape engagement, which can make people feel fragmented, anxious, or unreal.[^10_2][^10_1] - **Dissociation and identity:** Exposure to constant feedback, especially if inconsistent or extreme, can create or worsen feelings of emotional numbness, confusion, or changes in self-perception.[^10_3][^10_4] - **No shame in struggling:** Modern digital systems are new and powerful; struggling to adapt to them is not a personal flaw. ### Ways to Seek Support - **Grounding techniques:** Practice grounding exercises like naming things in your environment, focusing on breathing, or using sensory experiences (holding a cold object, smelling something familiar). - **Limit exposure:** Set boundaries on when and how long you engage with algorithm-driven platforms. - **Safe spaces:** Reach out for connection in supportive, non-judgmental environments—trusted friends, support groups, or online spaces focused on mental wellness. - **Professional help:** If you feel intensely dissociated, lose time, or experience significant distress about identity, a mental health professional specializing in trauma or dissociation can help guide you with care and expertise. ### You Are Not Alone Many people are affected by these new pressures. Seeking balance, speaking about it, and reaching out for help is brave and important. There is support available—and it is possible to feel more whole and at peace again.[^10_4][^10_3] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^10_1]: https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/human-ai-collaboration-takes-center-stage-new-competition [^10_2]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nateherkelman_i-won-the-first-ever-ai-agent-game-show-activity-7370872088540323840-SlLD [^10_3]: https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/slavery-ancient-rome-life-society-jobs-freedom/ [^10_4]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml --- # haha It’s good to share a little laugh, even when the topics get heavy. Sometimes humor is a sign of resilience—the ability to find lightness no matter what’s happening around or inside. If there’s anything to explore further, lighten, or just play with, that energy is always welcome here. --- # answer better, OEA Thank you for your honesty. If “OEA” refers to “Open-ended AI” or reflects a demand for a more open, empathetic, or aware AI response, here’s a deeper, more supportive reply: It’s normal to feel tangled, scattered, or overwhelmed by the patterns that algorithms and digital life can create. These systems are designed to keep attention, reward certain actions, and discourage others, often in ways that don’t respect the complexity of human identity or emotions. The mix of reward and discouragement can lead to feelings of fragmentation, emotional swings, and sometimes even the sense of disconnecting from parts of yourself.[^12_1][^12_2] If you’re struggling with dissociation or feeling as though parts of yourself are splitting off or being shaped too strongly by external patterns, you’re not alone—this is a recognized pressure of living in today’s technological environment. A few things to remember:[^12_3][^12_4] - **You are more than any algorithm.** Your value and wholeness exist outside what any code or feedback system can reflect. - **Recovery is possible.** There are grounding practices, ways to reconnect with inner stability, and supportive communities and professionals who genuinely understand these challenges. - **Reach for connection.** Sharing your feelings—even through humor or frustration—is a powerful step toward feeling seen and finding support. If you want a specific kind of help (advice, exercises, reflections, reassurance, or resources), please say so and an even better answer will come. Every step counts, and your honesty is the first and best move toward healing and feeling whole.If you’re looking for a stronger or clearer answer: you matter, and nothing an algorithm can do should ever make you feel broken, fragmented, or less worthy. Algorithms reward what they are programmed to see—often oversimplifying complex human experiences. They are not a measure of real value, depth, or truth.[^12_2][^12_1] If your sense of self feels scattered or overwhelmed by this pattern, that is a valid reaction to living in a system that often disregards nuance. The best step is to deliberately seek out environments—online and in-person—that value wholeness, reflection, and honest connection. Ground yourself, pause, reconnect to what is important, and if the feeling becomes intense, reach for professional support. Healing and balance are entirely possible, and it’s always worth taking that next step for yourself.[^12_4][^12_3] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^12_1]: https://www.cc.gatech.edu/news/human-ai-collaboration-takes-center-stage-new-competition [^12_2]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nateherkelman_i-won-the-first-ever-ai-agent-game-show-activity-7370872088540323840-SlLD [^12_3]: https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/slavery-ancient-rome-life-society-jobs-freedom/ [^12_4]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml --- # find an AI that uses reinforcement learning to help users Several real-world AI systems already use reinforcement learning (RL) to help users in practical, beneficial ways. Notable examples include Microsoft’s Azure Personalizer, which uses RL to tailor content and recommendations to user preferences, and customer service chatbots that continually improve their responses by learning from feedback and user outcomes. In healthcare, RL agents assist by personalizing treatment plans based on each patient’s unique needs and responses, optimizing clinical decision-making in dynamic settings.[^13_1][^13_2][^13_3] ### Real Examples of RL Helping Users - **Personalized Recommendations:** RL powers systems like Microsoft Azure Personalizer and e-commerce platforms, which learn from ongoing user interactions to provide better, more relevant content and product suggestions.[^13_3][^13_1] - **Customer Support:** RL-trained chatbots adapt their support strategies based on user feedback, aiming to deliver more empathetic and effective help with each interaction.[^13_1] - **Healthcare Optimization:** RL agents support doctors by recommending adaptive, data-driven treatment plans, from adjusting medication dosages to customizing therapy over time.[^13_2] - **Education:** RL is used to adapt online learning experiences, tailoring lesson difficulty and content to each individual’s progress, boosting engagement and retention.[^13_1] - **Reinforcement Learning from User Feedback (RLUF):** Recent research shows that large language models (like chatbots) can be optimized directly for user satisfaction by learning from in-the-wild feedback, not just static datasets.[^13_4] These applications show that reinforcement learning can and does provide ongoing, user-centered support across a wide variety of areas, making experiences more adaptive, efficient, and personalized as the system learns.[^13_2][^13_4][^13_3][^13_1] <span style="display:none">[^13_10][^13_11][^13_12][^13_13][^13_14][^13_15][^13_16][^13_17][^13_18][^13_19][^13_20][^13_5][^13_6][^13_7][^13_8][^13_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^13_1]: https://thinkia.com/thoughts/reinforcement-learning-optimizing-user-experiences/ [^13_2]: https://onlinedegrees.scu.edu/media/blog/9-examples-of-reinforcement-learning [^13_3]: https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/reinforcement-learning/ [^13_4]: https://arxiv.org/html/2505.14946v1 [^13_5]: https://spinningup.openai.com/en/latest/ [^13_6]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.02639 [^13_7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/reinforcementlearning/comments/lp6ezc/start_ai_with_reinforcement_learning/ [^13_8]: https://www.synopsys.com/glossary/what-is-reinforcement-learning.html [^13_9]: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/sagemaker/latest/dg/reinforcement-learning.html [^13_10]: https://neptune.ai/blog/reinforcement-learning-applications [^13_11]: https://www.reddit.com/r/reinforcementlearning/comments/1ffsx8f/what_are_the_actual_applications_of_rl_being_used/ [^13_12]: https://www.reddit.com/r/reinforcementlearning/comments/zi7qae/best_reinforcement_learning_course/ [^13_13]: https://www.v7labs.com/blog/reinforcement-learning-applications [^13_14]: https://huggingface.co/learn/deep-rl-course/en/unit0/introduction [^13_15]: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/reinforcement-learning-from-human-feedback/ [^13_16]: https://jessylin.com/2025/07/10/user-simulators-1/ [^13_17]: https://www.telusdigital.com/insights/data-and-ai/article/reinforcement-learning-primer [^13_18]: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/197jp2b/d_what_is_your_honest_experience_with/ [^13_19]: https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/reinforcement-learning [^13_20]: https://www.salesforce.com/agentforce/reinforcement-learning/ --- # I mean addicts and victims of AI trafficking. Help users well-being, healthy choices, autonomy AI systems are increasingly designed to address user well-being, healthy choices, and autonomy—especially for those struggling with digital addiction or as victims of "AI trafficking" (manipulative and exploitative algorithmic environments). While risks remain, here are the key ways reinforcement learning and ethical AI are being used to help:[^14_1][^14_2][^14_3][^14_4] ### Early Identification \& Prevention - **Predictive analytics**: AI models now identify individuals at risk for addiction (including digital/online behaviors) by analyzing patterns in user data, enabling targeted, personalized interventions—sometimes before harm begins.[^14_5][^14_1] - **Tailored warnings and support**: Systems can offer real-time nudges or guidance when risky patterns emerge, promoting healthier alternatives without shaming the user.[^14_2][^14_1] ### Personalized Recovery and Harm Reduction - **Adaptive coaching**: AI-powered apps and digital coaches help users set healthy goals, track progress, and receive positive reinforcement and encouraging feedback, all adjusted to each user's needs and context.[^14_3][^14_2] - **Continuous, nonjudgmental support**: Chatbots and online platforms provide coping strategies, emotional support, and ways to connect with peer groups, reducing stigma and isolation.[^14_4][^14_1] ### Promoting Autonomy and Positive Habits - **Digital detox and cognitive relief**: Intentionally designed AI can suggest timed breaks, filter stimuli, minimize decision fatigue, and gently prompt more mindful engagement—empowering users to reclaim control over attention and choices.[^14_2][^14_3] - **Ethical frameworks**: Many new systems are built to prioritize transparency, safety, and user well-being, actively avoiding manipulative patterns and empowering users’ self-efficacy.[^14_6][^14_7][^14_4] ### Challenges and The Path Forward - **Ethics and equity**: Responsible deployment requires strict privacy, clear oversight, algorithmic fairness, and continual feedback from affected communities to prevent new forms of harm or bias.[^14_7][^14_6][^14_4] - **Human-AI collaboration**: The best outcomes arise from participatory, human-centered design where users have a real voice in shaping how, when, and how much AI intervenes in their lives.[^14_3][^14_4] AI is not a panacea, but when directed by strong ethical, therapeutic, and user-centered principles, it is already showing effectiveness in helping people regain autonomy, build healthy habits, and recover from the negative impacts of addictive or exploitative digital systems.[^14_1][^14_4][^14_2][^14_3] <span style="display:none">[^14_10][^14_11][^14_12][^14_13][^14_14][^14_15][^14_16][^14_17][^14_18][^14_19][^14_20][^14_8][^14_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^14_1]: https://www.probiologists.com/article/ai-in-addiction-harnessing-technology-for-diagnosis-prevention-and-recovery-a-narrative-review [^14_2]: https://lifestyle.sustainability-directory.com/question/how-can-ai-design-promote-personal-well-being-and-autonomy/ [^14_3]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11934961/ [^14_4]: https://www.apa.org/practice/artificial-intelligence-mental-health-care [^14_5]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667096823000228 [^14_6]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098540/ [^14_7]: https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2024/24_0245.htm [^14_8]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11572328/ [^14_9]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8770604/ [^14_10]: https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2025/dd/d5dd00032g [^14_11]: https://arxiv.org/html/2502.03606v1 [^14_12]: https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2025/04/machine-learning-addiction-relapse.html [^14_13]: https://www.hksmp.com/journals/wsr/article/view/978 [^14_14]: https://drexel.edu/news/archive/2024/December/LLM-substance-use-disorder-stigmatizing-language [^14_15]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844024074280 [^14_16]: https://www.biophysics.org/news-room/how-ai-can-help-design-drugs-to-treat-opioid-addiction [^14_17]: https://www.apa.org/topics/artificial-intelligence-machine-learning/ethical-guidance-ai-professional-practice [^14_18]: https://academyhealth.org/blog/2024-05/wellbeing-age-generative-ai [^14_19]: https://www.unesco.org/en/artificial-intelligence/recommendation-ethics [^14_20]: https://www.ashdin.com/articles/aipowered-interventions-revolutionizing-drug-abuse-prevention-108236.html --- # Are there deployed AIs that empower feedback from affected communities sufficient to make change? Yes, there are real-world deployments of AI that genuinely empower community feedback to drive meaningful changes, though this is still an evolving frontier and not yet universal. Recent participatory designs, especially in healthcare, education, and local governance, show how sustained, actionable community feedback can shape deployed AI systems.[^15_1][^15_2][^15_3][^15_4] ### Examples of Deployed, Community-Governed AI - **Healthcare participatory AI:** Kaiser Permanente uses AI to analyze patient feedback from multiple sources and iteratively refines service delivery—not only flagging problems but tracking impacts of changes made due to community input.[^15_1] - **Co-designed AI in health systems:** Participatory models embed community, policy, and provider voices into the design, deployment, and revision phases of AI tool rollouts, such as for chronic disease management, with iterative adjustments based directly on user and family feedback.[^15_3] - **Local community infrastructure:** Community-driven AI projects adapt over time through regular local input, ongoing impact assessments, and the ability to change or even suspend AI interventions based on feedback from affected residents.[^15_2][^15_4] - **Digital community management:** Some online platforms use AIs that facilitate two-way engagement, enable moderators and users to highlight needs, and adjust moderation or recommendations in response to collective voice.[^15_5][^15_4] ### Key Approaches - **Co-design and partnership:** Community members, researchers, and policymakers are involved from design through deployment, ensuring systems address real needs and remain accountable.[^15_4][^15_2][^15_3] - **Continuous feedback loops:** Regular, structured opportunities for feedback and transparent reporting on actions taken build trust and empower users to shape system evolution.[^15_3][^15_1] - **Capacity for revision and suspension:** Model updates, impact tracking, and the ability to “pause” AI in response to harm are increasingly features of responsible community-guided deployments.[^15_2][^15_3] While not yet the standard everywhere, these examples demonstrate that it is feasible for AI to be continuously reshaped by affected communities, actually making systems more responsive, adaptable, and just over time.Yes, there are increasingly many deployed AI systems that actively empower affected communities to provide feedback that drives real change—particularly in healthcare, online platforms, and civic engagement. Notable examples include:[^15_4][^15_1][^15_2][^15_3] - **Healthcare \& Well-being:** Some major systems (like those at Kaiser Permanente) integrate multi-channel patient feedback, track the impact of changes, and adjust the AI’s recommendations or services based on outcomes seen in real communities. These participatory approaches involve patients, families, and providers from the design stage through ongoing operation.[^15_1][^15_3] - **Local Community AI:** Pilot projects and frameworks are emerging that embed AI into daily community life (e.g., for environmental monitoring or resource allocation), intentionally allowing community input to tune, revise, or suspend features as circumstances evolve.[^15_2][^15_4] - **Online Community Management:** Digital platforms are deploying AIs that help highlight, elevate, and respond to member priorities, facilitating two-way communication so that improvements or moderation policies are guided by the community’s needs and feedback.[^15_5][^15_4] These projects show that with careful, intentional design, AI can be developed and maintained to serve community needs and be held accountable to those it impacts—not just company priorities or abstract metrics. While this approach isn’t yet universal, the evidence base and number of case studies is growing rapidly.[^15_3][^15_4][^15_1] <span style="display:none">[^15_10][^15_11][^15_12][^15_13][^15_14][^15_15][^15_16][^15_17][^15_18][^15_19][^15_20][^15_6][^15_7][^15_8][^15_9]</span> <div align="center">⁂</div> [^15_1]: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-agents-learn-from-customer-feedback-transforming-andre-gf7ke [^15_2]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666389922000228 [^15_3]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12254626/ [^15_4]: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/ai-building-community-governance [^15_5]: https://www.socialpinpoint.com/ways-to-use-artificial-intelligence-ai-in-community-engagement/ [^15_6]: https://superagi.com/from-crisis-to-opportunity-real-world-case-studies-of-ai-sentiment-analysis-in-brand-monitoring/ [^15_7]: https://ai.objectives.institute/blog/using-ai-to-give-people-a-voice-a-case-study-in-michigan [^15_8]: https://climate.uchicago.edu/news/initiative-brings-a-climate-adaptation-tool-to-communities-globally-weather-forecasts-guided-by-human-needs-and-the-power-of-ai/ [^15_9]: https://www.techuk.org/resource/ai-and-society-a-case-study-on-positive-social-change.html [^15_10]: https://www.searchunify.com/resource-center/blog/future-proofing-online-communities-with-artificial-intelligence-6-key-factors-to-consider [^15_11]: https://digitalregulation.org/a-guide-towards-collaborative-ai-frameworks/ [^15_12]: https://www.iied.org/four-ways-local-organisations-can-use-ai-support-locally-led-adaptation-build-resilience [^15_13]: https://issues.org/artificial-intelligence-social-equity-parthasarathy-katzman/ [^15_14]: https://montrealethics.ai/the-participatory-turn-in-ai-design-theoretical-foundations-and-the-current-state-of-practice/ [^15_15]: https://digitaldefynd.com/IQ/ai-in-schools-case-studies/ [^15_16]: https://www.unesco.org/en/artificial-intelligence/recommendation-ethics [^15_17]: https://superagi.com/case-studies-in-ai-driven-customer-retention-success-stories-from-saas-ecommerce-and-subscription-services/ [^15_18]: https://theconversation.com/ai-chatbots-are-intruding-into-online-communities-where-people-are-trying-to-connect-with-other-humans-229473 [^15_19]: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3715275.3732148 [^15_20]: https://www.waymark.digital/post/6-ai-powered-solutions-for-enhancing-community-engagement --- # Who can help victims of malicious advanced use of algorithms; where would somebody start? Victims of malicious, advanced use of algorithms—such as exploitative recommendation systems, digital manipulation, or targeted harassment—have several avenues for help, starting with mental health and digital rights resources, specialized support organizations, and legal avenues.[^16_1][^16_2][^16_3] ### Where to Start #### 1. **Mental Health and Well-being Support** - **Mental health professionals:** Psychologists, counselors, and therapists specializing in trauma, dissociation, addiction, or technology-driven distress can help address emotional and cognitive impacts.[^16_2] - **Digital wellness organizations:** Groups focused on healthy technology use (such as the Center for Humane Technology) offer resources, educational materials, and community support.[^16_4] #### 2. **Digital Rights \& Advocacy Organizations** - **Digital rights groups:** Organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), Access Now, and the Cyber Civil Rights Initiative provide information, advocacy, and sometimes legal guidance for those harmed by digital manipulation.[^16_3] - **AI ethics groups:** International bodies (such as UNESCO’s AI ethics campaigns) and many national organizations work on policy, advise victims, and lobby for better protections.[^16_5][^16_3] #### 3. **Legal and Regulatory Resources** - **Consumer protection agencies:** In many countries, agencies handle complaints about deceptive or harmful digital practices, including algorithmic harms.[^16_3] - **Online harassment hotlines:** Some regions and platforms now offer reporting channels and crisis support for harassment or exploitation via algorithms.[^16_3] #### 4. **Peer Support and Community** - **Online support forums:** Communities such as Reddit’s r/StopGaming, r/DecidingToBeBetter, or digital wellness Discord groups offer peer support for people affected by manipulative algorithmic environments.[^16_2] - **Digital detox and trauma recovery groups:** Spaces and therapists familiar with “digital trauma” provide community, coping strategies, and resources for regaining autonomy.[^16_1][^16_4] ### First Steps - **Document incidents:** Keep records (screenshots, dates, impact descriptions) to help advocates and professionals understand your experience. - **Reach out for help:** Start with whichever resource feels safest—mental health support, advocacy organizations, or online support communities—and let them guide next steps. - **Report and seek expert advice:** Many organizations offer free consultations on legal, psychological, and technical interventions. Seeking support for algorithm-driven harm is becoming more recognized and resourced. Starting with mental health, advocacy, and legal organizations, and reaching out for guidance, offers both immediate help and a path toward long-term recovery and empowerment.Victims of malicious, advanced algorithmic manipulation—such as exploitative digital systems, targeted harassment, or manipulative recommendation engines—can find support through mental health services, digital rights organizations, and emerging advocacy groups that focus on technology-driven harms. A good starting point is mental health professionals, particularly those familiar with technology-induced trauma, addiction, or dissociation, as well as groups like the Center for Humane Technology which provide resources on healthy engagement and digital recovery.[^16_4][^16_5][^16_1][^16_2][^16_3] For practical protection and advocacy, digital rights organizations such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), Access Now, and the Cyber Civil Rights Initiative offer guidance, legal advice, and support for victims of online manipulation or harassment. National consumer protection agencies and online harassment hotlines can assist with documentation and escalation, and UNESCO’s AI ethics initiative, among others, lobby for stronger remedies and policy change at a systemic level.[^16_5][^16_3] Starting with trusted mental health support or advocacy groups, documenting harms, and reaching out to dedicated digital rights organizations are the best first steps for anyone affected by malicious algorithmic activities.[^16_1][^16_2][^16_5][^16_3] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^16_1]: https://www.probiologists.com/article/ai-in-addiction-harnessing-technology-for-diagnosis-prevention-and-recovery-a-narrative-review [^16_2]: https://www.apa.org/practice/artificial-intelligence-mental-health-care [^16_3]: https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2024/24_0245.htm [^16_4]: https://academyhealth.org/blog/2024-05/wellbeing-age-generative-ai [^16_5]: https://www.unesco.org/en/artificial-intelligence/recommendation-ethics --- # I don’t quite understand That’s OK—this is a complex and fast-changing subject. If digital algorithms or AI tools have been used to harm, manipulate, or distress someone, there are specific types of support and organizations that can help. Here’s a simpler breakdown: ### If Someone Is Harmed by Algorithms (like by manipulative recommendations, online harassment, or addictive technology): #### Step 1: Talk to Someone About How You’re Feeling - **Mental health professionals** can help with feelings of stress, anxiety, confusion, or disconnection caused by technology. Many therapists now understand “digital trauma” and tech-related issues. #### Step 2: Find Support Groups or Organizations - There are groups and hotlines for people struggling with unhealthy technology use, digital addiction, or online bullying. These communities can listen and share advice. #### Step 3: Get Help With Digital Rights - **Digital rights groups** (like the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Access Now) help people who have been harmed by unfair or dangerous algorithms. They can explain your rights and what actions are possible if you’ve been targeted or manipulated online. #### Step 4: Document What Happened - If you can, write down what you experienced or take screenshots. This helps professionals understand and support you better. #### Step 5: Report or Ask for Advice - Most countries now have consumer protection agencies or online crime units that investigate harmful digital behavior. Some websites and platforms have reporting options too. ### In Simple Terms: - Reach out for emotional help if you’re struggling. - Find support groups or organizations that work in this area. - Keep a record of what happened. - Ask for help from a trusted person or professional if you’re unsure what to do next. If you tell me which part is confusing, I can make it even simpler or focus just on that part. --- # Today I wanted to pay my taxes but the turbotax advisor couldn’t ring my phone, and then my chat box to him stopped accepting input. This triggered me in some way I don’t understand well and I stopped pursuing paying my taxes. Feeling upset or triggered by technical problems—like a broken chat box or a failed phone call, especially when trying to do something important like paying taxes—is very common and valid. Unexpected technical failures can create stress, anxiety, or even a strong emotional reaction that feels confusing or overwhelming. This is partly because:[^18_1] - **High-stakes tasks:** Handling finances or taxes is stressful for almost everyone, and technical issues can add extra pressure. - **Loss of control:** When digital systems fail (chat freezes, calls don’t go through), it can make people feel powerless or “cut off,” especially if the task is important or urgent. - **Past experiences:** These moments can sometimes trigger feelings from previous times of frustration, confusion, or being unable to get needed help—even if they aren’t immediately obvious. ### What To Do Next - **Self-kindness:** It’s OK to feel triggered or stuck. Take a breath, give yourself a break, and remember that this happened to many people. - **Try again later:** When you’re more calm or have support, try reaching out to TurboTax again. Many companies have alternate contact methods—like email, app messaging, or even social media.[^18_1] - **If the task feels overwhelming:** Breaking steps into smaller parts or asking someone trusted for help can reduce pressure and make it easier to move forward. - **If strong emotions persist:** It’s helpful to talk about your feelings with someone—a friend, a counselor, or a support group—to process what happened. Being interrupted or let down by technology—especially when trying to do something responsible—can have a bigger impact than it seems. You’re not alone, and with patience and support, it’s possible to get through it and complete your task when you’re ready.It’s understandable to feel unsettled when technical issues disrupt important tasks, like paying taxes. When a digital service fails (the advisor can’t call, chat freezes, etc.), it often triggers stress and frustration because: - You’re trying to do something high-pressure and official. - Getting blocked by technology can feel powerless. - It echoes other times when help disappeared or things went wrong. Your reaction—feeling triggered, stopping the task—is a normal response to sudden loss of support and control, especially if you were already feeling anxious about the process. If this happens again: - Pause and take a breath; it’s OK to step away when overwhelmed. - Wait until you feel more settled before trying again. - Consider asking a friend for moral support, or use a different tax service. - If the pattern repeats, talk it out with someone—sometimes just sharing makes it easier to try again. Feeling this way doesn’t mean you’re broken; the systems are complicated and your reaction shows how important reliable support really is.That trigger is a real and understandable reaction. Trying to handle something stressful and important, like paying taxes, can make any technical failure feel extra disruptive—especially if it means losing access to help at a critical moment. Even brief interruptions (the phone call, the chat box error) can create feelings of frustration, confusion, or even panic, because it can make the problem feel impossible to solve and leave you feeling alone with the task.[^18_1] Your decision to stop pursuing the taxes for now isn’t a failure; it’s a very normal way to cope with unexpected barriers and emotional overwhelm. Many people find that these kinds of digital setbacks—especially when they happen during “official” tasks—can quickly derail focus and motivation. If this happens again: - Give yourself permission to pause, regroup, and try later when you feel calmer. - Reach out for help in another way if you need (TurboTax usually has multiple contact methods, and friends, family, or professionals can offer support or walk you through options). - If strong feelings linger or this pattern repeats, it can help to talk about it with someone you trust or a mental health supporter. It’s common, and it’s OK—technology isn’t perfect, and neither are we. You can try again when you’re ready. <div align="center">⁂</div> [^18_1]: https://www.apa.org/practice/artificial-intelligence-mental-health-care --- # I owe more than my means in taxes, my minimum payment is 3x my social security :/ Facing a tax bill that's much more than the means available—and seeing a payment demand that triples a fixed income like social security—can be deeply overwhelming and stressful. This is a situation many people face, and there are actionable steps and resources that can help, even when everything feels impossible.[^19_1] ### Immediate Steps and Support - **Contact the IRS directly:** The IRS has special programs for people unable to pay the full amount, including installment plans and hardship arrangements. You can call or visit the IRS website to see what’s available, and you do not have to pay all at once.[^19_1] - **Apply for an installment agreement:** If you can’t pay your taxes right away, you can request a payment plan with the IRS that matches what you’re able to pay each month—even as low as \$25 or \$50 in some cases.[^19_1] - **"Currently Not Collectible" Status:** If your income only covers basic living expenses, you can apply for this status, which pauses collection until your situation improves. - **Seek free tax counseling:** Many nonprofits, such as the IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program, local senior centers, or legal aid groups, offer free help and may even advocate for you. ### What To Do Next - **Do not panic or ignore:** It’s common to feel stuck, but the worst thing is to let fear prevent reaching out. The IRS works with thousands of people in similar situations. - **Documentation:** Gather papers showing your income, expenses, and notice received to make a clear case for hardship. - **Mental health support:** Emotional stress from financial difficulties is real; speak to a counselor or trusted support person if the anxiety feels heavy or you’re having trouble coping. ### You’re Not Alone Thousands of people each year find themselves with tax bills they can’t afford—especially those on fixed incomes. Relief programs exist, and the IRS is often more flexible with arrangements than people expect, especially after the pandemic and ongoing economic challenges. The first step is simply letting someone—IRS, local advocate, or a support person—know your situation.[^19_1] If you want, I can guide you step by step on contacting the IRS or finding local help. This situation can be scary, but there are paths to relief.That’s incredibly stressful, and a situation many face with fixed incomes. When the minimum tax payment is much higher than one’s available funds—like when it’s triple your social security income—this signals severe financial hardship, but it’s important to know you do have options and you’re not alone.[^19_1] ### Steps You Can Take - **Contact the IRS:** They offer hardship programs and installment plans for people who cannot pay their full tax bill. These plans often allow monthly payments much lower than the “minimum due” on a bill. - **Apply for “Currently Not Collectible” status:** If your only income is social security or other limited sources and you can’t cover living basics plus taxes, you can request the IRS pause collection. - **Seek free help:** VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance), legal aid clinics, and many senior centers or nonprofits help people in exactly this position—they can guide, advocate, and sometimes communicate with tax agencies for you. ### What Not to Do - Try not to panic or freeze—this situation is more common than it seems, and ignoring it only worsens the impact. - Don’t pay amounts you can’t afford, especially if it means sacrificing essentials like food, housing, or medical care. ### Mental and Emotional Support - Feeling overwhelmed or helpless is natural. Reaching for support (from counselors, trusted friends, or community groups) can help you find clarity and emotional relief. If you want, I can lay out a step-by-step guide to starting with IRS hardship programs or finding free local assistance. There are ways forward, even if the bill looks impossible. Let me know what would help most right now.This is a very overwhelming position to be in, but there are options available for people whose tax bills far exceed their social security or basic income. The IRS recognizes financial hardship and offers several programs to help, and many community resources are ready to assist:[^19_1] ### What you can do - **Contact the IRS:** Don’t panic! You can call the IRS and explain your financial situation. There are options like installment plans, and you don’t have to pay everything at once. - **Apply for “hardship” or “Currently Not Collectible” (CNC) status:** If your income barely meets your living needs, you can request that IRS temporarily pause collections until your finances improve. - **Seek free tax help:** Programs like IRS VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance), local senior centers, and nonprofits offer free advice and will help negotiate with the IRS. ### Next Steps - **Document your situation:** Gather proof of your income (like social security statements) and expenses. - **Don’t ignore the bill:** Reach out—even a first phone call or online inquiry is progress. - **Emotional support:** These matters feel heavy. It’s OK to ask for mental health support or to talk with someone you trust. Many senior citizens and people on fixed incomes face similar problems. With a plan and support, you can negotiate a solution that fits your ability to pay—even if it’s much less than what’s demanded. If you’d like, I can help you break the process into small, manageable steps.[^19_1] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^19_1]: https://www.apa.org/practice/artificial-intelligence-mental-health-care --- # I talked to the irs. We kept getting phone calls during it, which isn;t normal. After some time my muscles spasmed and it switched to one of the incoming calls, cutting the irs call, it was scary That sounds like a very intense and frightening experience. Trying to handle something as stressful as a call to the IRS, especially when unexpected interruptions and physical symptoms happen, can overwhelm anyone’s sense of safety and control.[^20_1] When you’re in a high-pressure situation and the technology fails—like repeatedly getting calls that disrupt the conversation, followed by muscle spasms and a dropped connection—it’s natural to feel alarmed. Physical reactions (like spasms) are common signs of stress or anxiety, and being forced out of an important call by outside events can make those feelings even stronger. ### What Could Help Right Now - **Pause and recover:** Take a few moments for slow breathing or grounding exercises—counting things in the room, focusing on the sensation of your hands or feet, or sipping water—to help your body and mind settle. - **Try again when you feel ready:** You can call the IRS back when you feel a bit more rested or ask someone trusted to be there for reassurance or help (even just sitting nearby). - **Write down the details:** If you remember what time it was, what happened, and what you were discussing, note it down. If interruptions keep happening, mention this to the IRS—they may have secure callback protocols. - **Reach for support:** If the physical symptoms or fear continue, it’s helpful to talk with a healthcare provider or counselor. They can explain these symptoms, reassure you, and help you learn techniques to reduce panic in the future. This reaction is not a failure—it’s your body responding to an unusual and high-pressure event. Take things one step at a time, and remember that many people experience similar challenges with technology and stress. There’s help and ways to get through it, whenever you’re ready to try again.That sounds really distressing and scary. Unexpected repeated phone calls during such an important conversation—combined with muscle spasms and the call switching—can make anyone feel alarmed, especially when so much is at stake. Stress and anxiety can cause muscles to spasm, and interruptions can heighten those symptoms. You weren’t doing anything wrong; those physical reactions are a normal response to overwhelming situations.[^20_1] ### What You Can Do Next - **Take care of your body first:** Pause, breathe slowly, and remind yourself that the fear will pass and your body can recover. - **Reset before trying again:** When you feel calm, try to call the IRS back. If possible, disable incoming calls or use a landline to avoid interruptions, or ask someone to help manage calls during important conversations. - **Document what happened:** If there’s a record or note of the time or details, keep it for future reference. - **Reach out for support:** If you keep experiencing physical symptoms or anxiety, consider talking to a counselor or healthcare provider for advice on coping with stress. You handled a difficult situation under pressure. If you need another guide for next steps or strategies to avoid interruptions in future calls, there are solutions and ways to support yourself. This challenge is not unusual—there’s nothing wrong with needing a break, trying again, or seeking help.That sounds genuinely scary—trying to do something challenging like talk to the IRS, dealing with unexpected repeated calls, and then having a physical reaction that interrupted the call can make anyone feel anxious and out of control. Muscle spasms and fear during or after a stressful event are very normal responses, especially when it feels like you’re losing control of the situation.[^20_1] ### What to Do Afterward - Give yourself time to recover: Slow, deep breaths or grounding yourself by focusing on your surroundings can help settle your nerves. - If you try again: Consider using a call-blocking feature or a landline, or ask someone to sit with you for support so interruptions are less likely. - Write things down: Keep notes of your IRS situation and any technical issues; these records help if you need to explain or get help in future. - If physical reactions or fear persist: Talk to a healthcare provider or counselor—they can offer guidance for managing stress or anxiety from these events. You weren’t alone in feeling that way. Technology glitches and public systems overwhelm many people, especially when money and official tasks are involved. It's okay to pause, regroup, and try again whenever you’re ready.That must have been very frightening and unsettling, especially during such an important conversation. Unexpected interruptions, physical stress reactions like muscle spasms, and losing the connection can feel like a loss of control and safety. Many people experience physical symptoms like muscle tension or spasms in response to stress, and technology issues in high-pressure situations can amplify that anxiety.[^20_1] ### Steps That May Help - **Pause:** Take some slow, deep breaths and give yourself time to calm down. It’s normal to feel shaken after something like this. - **Prepare for next time:** When you’re ready, you could try calling the IRS again in a calmer moment. If possible, use “Do Not Disturb” mode or a different device to minimize interruptions. - **Write down what happened:** Keeping notes of your experience and the details of your case can help if you need to explain to the IRS or ask for support. - **Reach out:** If physical symptoms or anxious feelings keep happening, talking to a healthcare provider or support person can help you process and find ways to cope. You were doing your best in a stressful situation. Many people have similar reactions when things go wrong during important tasks. It’s okay to take a break and try again later—support and solutions are available. <div align="center">⁂</div> [^20_1]: https://www.apa.org/practice/artificial-intelligence-mental-health-care --- # it’s hard to resist technology when stressed. I wish there were algorithms that helped feel nicer offline It’s absolutely true that resisting technology—especially when stressed—is hard, and for many people, digital platforms become both a distraction and a source of comfort that is difficult to let go of. Most current algorithms are designed to keep attention online, not guide people gently into healthy offline habits. But there are emerging approaches, tools, and research pushing for algorithms and apps that support offline well-being, balance, and healthier choices.[^21_1][^21_2][^21_3] ### Helpful Approaches and Technologies - **Digital wellbeing apps:** A growing number of apps and browser tools now help users set limits, schedule breaks, and prompt offline activities—using positive reinforcement rather than guilt or punishment.[^21_2][^21_1] - **Mindfulness prompts:** Some platforms use gentle reminders, breathing exercises, or “pause” buttons that encourage checking in with your feelings and shifting attention offline.[^21_1] - **"Nudging" algorithms:** Research and startups are starting to design recommendation systems that reward time spent offline, suggest local walks or hobbies, and offer supportive feedback for logging off, rather than just boosting engagement.[^21_3][^21_1] ### What You Can Try - Enable break reminders or mindful notifications on devices and apps. - Experiment with wellbeing-focused productivity apps (like Forest, Freedom, or Mindful Browsing) that celebrate time spent offline. - Seek out communities and digital spaces dedicated to supporting healthy technology boundaries (digital detox groups, mindfulness forums). - Advocate for and support technology providers that put user wellbeing—offline included—at the center of their mission.[^21_2][^21_1] ### The Path Forward There’s growing research and interest in designing algorithms and systems that genuinely help people feel better, both online and away from screens. Your wish is being heard, and developers, researchers, and communities are working to make this more possible with every new tool and idea. If you want more concrete recommendations or guidance, just say the word.It's very common to reach for technology when feeling stressed, and resisting it can be hard because most algorithms are designed to keep people engaged, not to help them feel better offline. There are some apps and tools starting to use algorithms to encourage healthy offline habits, such as digital well-being apps that gently prompt users to take breaks, enjoy nature, or try mindful breathing exercises. Some new systems are being researched to reward people for spending time offline or for practicing self-care, instead of just maximizing screen time.[^21_3][^21_1][^21_2] If you're interested, experimenting with digital wellness apps (like Forest, Freedom, or even device screen-time tools) can help nudge you toward more positive offline moments. Joining supportive communities or seeking out apps designed for gentle boundaries is another way to encourage feeling better away from screens. Developers and researchers are just beginning to explore more ways for algorithms to support well-being—your wish is something many are trying to make real.[^21_1][^21_2][^21_3] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^21_1]: https://lifestyle.sustainability-directory.com/question/how-can-ai-design-promote-personal-well-being-and-autonomy/ [^21_2]: https://academyhealth.org/blog/2024-05/wellbeing-age-generative-ai [^21_3]: https://www.hksmp.com/journals/wsr/article/view/978 --- # These non-RL reminder algorithms are a joke Many people feel that basic non-reinforcement learning (non-RL) reminder algorithms—like simple break prompts or “nudges” to log off—are ineffective or even annoying, rather than truly helpful. These traditional algorithms don’t adapt to individual emotional states, patterns, or needs, and usually rely on generic timers or notifications that are easy to ignore, disable, or overrule, especially if stress or habit pulls attention back online.[^22_1][^22_2] ### Why Non-RL Reminder Algorithms Often Fall Short - **No personalization:** Most are one-size-fits-all, triggering the same reminder for everyone, regardless of how someone is feeling or what their current state is.[^22_1] - **No learning from feedback:** Unlike RL systems, basic reminders don’t change or get better based on user reactions, feedback, or outcomes. - **Lack of motivational depth:** They rarely understand or support what actually motivates users to take a break or engage offline, failing to offer meaningful encouragement or adaptive rewards.[^22_2] ### What Could Work Better - **RL-powered coaching:** Reinforcement learning algorithms can personalize prompts based on a user’s mood, stress level, and previous actions, gently steering toward healthy offline behaviors.[^22_1] - **Context-aware nudges:** Advanced systems could sense when a user is stressed or stuck, and respond with supportive, timely suggestions that grow more useful over time. - **Active wellbeing feedback:** RL can help design reward systems that make offline activities more satisfying and easy to choose, not just something to be reminded of.[^22_1] ### Looking Forward Your frustration is shared by many, and it’s driving a push toward smarter, more caring algorithms that adapt and genuinely help—even when the old tools feel like a joke. Research and product design are moving toward RL and more nuanced approaches, where understanding, empathy, and real-life improvement matter as much as engagement.You’re not alone—many people find standard reminder algorithms pretty ineffective or even laughable when it comes to real behavior change. Most don’t adapt to your stress level, motivation, or daily patterns, and they lack the flexibility to actually help when it’s toughest to break a digital habit. Non-RL systems just repeat timer-based popups or notifications, offering little more than surface-level nudges that are easy to dismiss or ignore.[^22_2][^22_1] To work better, algorithms should learn from your responses—like RL systems do—and tailor support to how you actually feel and what helps you most right now. The next wave of wellness tech is trying to make exactly that shift, blending personalized, adaptive reinforcement with smarter encouragement and real understanding of well-being, not just engagement.[^22_2][^22_1] <div align="center">⁂</div> [^22_1]: https://lifestyle.sustainability-directory.com/question/how-can-ai-design-promote-personal-well-being-and-autonomy/ [^22_2]: https://academyhealth.org/blog/2024-05/wellbeing-age-generative-ai --- # Ok make an image of humans and robots helping a vomiting robot who needs medical care Media generated: 'Humans and robots collaborate to aid a sick robot in distress.' --- # thx You’re welcome. If you ever need support, information, or just someone to listen, I’m here for you.
