Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is sometimes described as “Representatives of.....“ May be to avoid having to draw up a new lease until it was absolutely necessary say when the lessor changed.
Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how > tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation > farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm that > the family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years prior to > the land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able > to steer me somewhere on this issue. > Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which > son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease? > Thanks, as always … > Rick Smoll > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > To: James McKane <[email protected]> > Cc: Rick Smoll <[email protected]>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 > > Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” > According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A > small Irish land division which, before the plantation,represented the > territory within which several families worked the land.Although the real > area of the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was > assumed by the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in > most areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these > ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at the time > of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of local Irish > landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown. An obvious > example would bethe Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were > declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 uprising and reallocated. Details in the > Down survey: http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php Robinson spends > some time discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what > extent Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had > English tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords > respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example > on p122 he says: The evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated > baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord > Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh > barony had as many Scots as English in it. Although there is considerable > degree ofcontinuity between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional pattern of > Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and Scottish > localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change dramatically. This > turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply to the ravages of the 1641 > rebellion, forcomparable changes can be observed between 1622 and 1630. A > high degree oftenant mobility is a striking characteristic of plantation > settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement patterns.” He goes on to > discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any Tyrone estate > was closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish owned, and only > marginally related tothe physical distance from Londonderry as the natural > entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 the gap between the > statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, and by 1666 it was > the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. This supports the > model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of direct > plantation, with subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously with > that of colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread > became relatively more important than directplantation with time is also > supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get the general > drift. Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via > Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. > After 40 years colonialspread meant that a significant percentage were no > longer in the place wherethey first settled). Loughterush is in the barony of > Omagh East.For me, the absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the > Muster Rolls (iec 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there > arrived afterthat. There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a > Robert Morsion in Strabane barony. Perhaps your familywere connected to him > and moved south to Loughterush. So colonial spread? Your question is whether > Audley brought theMorisons over? I doubt he brought them over himself because > he appears to haveacquired those lands from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who > was the originalUndertaker. The family were from Petersfield in Hampshire. > Morison is not a name particularly common inthat part of England so that > would make me doubt they were Castlehaven tenantsin England. But I might be > wrong. Elwyn > On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, James McKane <[email protected]> wrote: > > A search of the CoTyroneIreland.com Tithe Applotment Index shows this entry > > | MORRISON | Edward | Loughterush | Sloy Manor, Kilskerry 1826 > | > > > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 5:02 PM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I located a copy of the 1654-1656 Civil Survey that covers the townland of > Loughterush in Kilskeery Parish … this obviously does not list the tenants > names, only the owner … but there is interesting information there that for > me begs some questions that perhaps some of you could help me with. I have > attached the top page with the header that describes the area and names the > owner, and then the page that lists Laghterish (older spelling or misspelling > of Loughterush) among the townlands in his possession. > Questions:1. Is there any reason to have confidence that Col. Audley Mervin > would have been the one to have brought the Morrisons over to Loughterush? 2. > Were all of the lands of Ulster apportioned out in the time frame around > 1610, or did it take a longer period of time (ie, could Mervin have been > granted his land after 1630?) He was also listed among those who came to the > aid of Londonderry during the siege by James II in 1690, so he was not likely > an original grantee in 1610.3.The total acreage for the townlands of > Lisnahanna, Loughterush, and Derryvokenan (?) is listed as 65 acres … there > is obviously a lot more than 65 acres there (even Irish acres) ; the Morrison > farm alone was about 40-50 acres … could that be referring to only the amount > of acreage under cultivation? > Other items of interest: … I now know what a Balliboe is. > … Based on the note in the left column of the first page, Audley was > apparently among those protestant royalists who were penalized by Cromwell > with the settlement act of 1652. > > Rick Smoll > > -----Original Message----- > From: elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: rsmoll999 <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 9:27 pm > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 > > Rick, The surname, the general location and thefamily denomination all point > to them being settlers who probably arrived inIreland in the 1600s. > MacLysaght’s surnames of Ireland describesMorrison as “an English name > numerous inUlster.” The location ie Tyrone, is a county heavily settled by > Scots &English in that period, and the family denomination (Methodist in > 1901) alsopoints to them being incomers. (They would almost certainly have > been Church ofIreland – ie Anglican- in earlier times, prior to Methodism’s > arrival inIreland). So in effect you have 3pointers to them being of settler > origins. The Muster Rolls c 1630 show a number ofMorrisons in Ireland, and > one in Tyrone, but none in the Barony of Omagh East(which includes > Loughterush) so that points to a post 1630 arrival in theLoughterush area, if > not in Ireland. It’s very rare to find any documentationfor the 1600s, unless > you were an Undertaker or major land owner, or had landforfeit after the 1641 > rebellion. Theearliest likely records might be in the Registry of Deeds > which start around1709. If the family registered a lease or other significant > document, thatsometimes gives you a date. Failing that, church records may > help. KilskeeryChurch of Ireland records start in 1767 so you might find them > there. For somepeople the tithe applotment records in the late 1820s/early > 1830s are often theearliest records to be found. I searched the PRONI > e-catalogue but see nomention there of Morrison in Loughterush other than in > the tithes in 1826.There were no comprehensive records of when people first > acquired land. Formost 17th century settlers, the first 150 years or so of > their timein Ireland are lost in the mists of time. Elwyn > On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 03:06, rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Peter ... thanks for responding ... the links you sent are not working for > me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from my Sprint Samsung > Galaxy S9. > -------- Original message --------From: Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> Date: 5/21/20 8:43 PM (GMT-06:00) To: > "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <[email protected]> Cc: > Peter McKittrick <[email protected]> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] > Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A past Genealogical Society of > Victoria (Australia) handout indicates that Morrison appears in Scottish > names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster rolls and estate maps.Sources: > Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots published on > http://www.irishclans.com/ <http://www.irishclans.com/> > Gwen Rawlings-Barry, The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) published on > http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/ > <http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/> (website not found).Peter > McKittrick> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote:> > Rick, My guess is that they > could have been part of the plantation of Ulster in the 17thC. I > suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been part of that > event too but have not been able to find any records of who arrived from > where and when. Any help (thanks Len S. for your earlier help) would be > appreciated. Gordon> > On 22/05/2020 3:14 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList > wrote:>> My Morrison ancestors occupied a farm in the Loughterush townland > (Kilskeery Parish) from at least the mid 1700s until 1970 when the last > Morrison on the farm passed away (he was a bachelor), and the farm was sold > at public auction. The earliest ancestor I have found records for was Edward > Morrison, and the earliest reference to Loughterush was with the birth of a > daughter of his in 1781.>> My question is: Is there a way to find out when > the Morrisons first came to occupy the farm in Loughterush?>> Thank you for > any help on this.>> >> Rick Smoll>> > _______________________________________________>> CoTyroneList Mailing List>> > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected]>> Change Your > Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com>> > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY> > -- > > _________________________________> Nereda & Gordon Wilkinson, Hyde Park, > South Australia.> Web: www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon Skype id: neredon> > Emails: [email protected] > [email protected]> > > > _______________________________________________> CoTyroneList Mailing List> > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected]> Change Your > Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com> > Mailing List Archive: > https://goo.gl/mQCKrY_______________________________________________CoTyroneList > Mailing ListMailing List Email Address: > [email protected] Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.comMailing > List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] Change Your Preferences: http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
