Nicks suggestion might work also, I'm not sure, but I had a lot more
difficulties with it (against Steenvreter). With black 31 at e6 it all
seems rather straightforward. I guess some programs may have
difficulties seeing the corner is dead.

Erik


On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, David Fotland <[email protected]> wrote:
> ManyFaces agrees with Nick that connecting on the right is better than 31
> (with about 48% win rate).  It doesn’t like moving at 34, as Erik suggests.
> After 34 (E6), it thinks white can win (55%) at H3, but this is too
> optimistic.
>
> David
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:computer-go-
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik van der Werf
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:24 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > "Aja" <[email protected]>
>> >> ManyFaces (White) still wins even if it loses the semeai but captures
>> >> the J4 group of 3 stones. And it's not possible for Black to save the
>> >> J4 group and win the semeai at the same time.
>> >
>> > Yes, that is exactly what the experts in the forum found.
>> >
>> > The question: Do the other bots see this as well,
>> > and how early in the game do they see this outcome?
>>
>> Sure, its easy for strong bots :-)
>>
>> There are several ways to win in this position; no need to win the
>> semeai. Even the J4 block can be traded for something like 2 points
>> elsewhere (e.g., g4 & a6).
>>
>> To win Black should have played 31 at 34. I think Nick's suggestion
>> (between 32 and 35) is bad because the White group in the upper right
>> corner is already dead.
>>
>> Erik
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