On 22-03-17 09:41, Darren Cook wrote: >> The issue with Japanese rules is easily solved by refusing to play >> under ridiculous rules. Yes, I do have strong opinions. :) > > And the problem with driver-less cars is easily "solved" by banning > all road users that are not also driver-less cars (including all > pedestrians, bikes and wild animals).
I think you misunderstand the sentiment completely. It is not: Japanese rules are difficult for computers, so we don't like them. It is: Japanese rules are problematic on many levels, so we prefer to work with Chinese ones and as a consequence that's what the programs are trained for and tested on. It is telling that Zen is having these troubles despite being made by Japanese programmers. I believe the saying for this is "voting with your feet". > Or how about this angle: humans are still better than the programs > at Japanese rules. Therefore this is an interesting area of study. Maybe some people are interested in studying Japanese rules, like finding out what they actually are (http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j1989c.html). That's fine, but not all that interesting for AI, or, actually, computer go. Of course, commercial programs that need to cater to a Japanese (or Korean) audience are stuck. As are people that want to play the UEC Cup etc. -- GCP _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
