Not really a compuetr Go issue, but I do not think that great wall is superior even when completed. It is not too bad but it needs a definite strategy from wall owner. I.e building side moyos using wall as a roof and hoping that the other guy gets nervous and jumps in. So by being patient is pretty good defence against it.
But to computer go: It may well that MCTS programs have abilities that match the great wall fuseki. They do like moyo's and fighting so this sound like a god match, but i doubt that it gives any meaninful boost. Just fun for a change. Petri 2009/10/20 <dave.de...@planet.nl> > I heard about a pro comment that the Great wall and similar openings are > quite feasible, but also quite easily thwarted. If you opponent plays it, > you just prevent him from completing it by taking the last point yourself. > This should give him an inferior position. If you let him complete it, he > probably has a superior position. > > Dave > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org namens "Ingo Althöfer" > *Verzonden:* vr 16-10-2009 20:55 > *Aan:* computer-go@computer-go.org > *Onderwerp:* [computer-go] Great Wall Opening by Bruce Wilcox > > In the year 2000 I bought the book > "EZ-GO: Oriental Strategy in a Nutshell", > by Bruce and Sue Wilcox. Ki Press; 1996. > > I can only recommend it for the many fresh ideas. > A few days ago I found time again to read in it. > > This time I was impressed by Bruce Wilcox's strange > opening "Great Wall", where Black starts with a loose > wall made of 5 stones, spanning over the whole board. > > Bruce proposes to play this setup as a surprise weapon, > even against stronger opponents. > > Now I made some autoplay tests, starting from the end position > given in the appendix of this mail. > * one game with Leela 3.16; Black won. > * four games with MFoG 12.016; two wins each for Black and White. > So there is some indiciation that the Great Wall works even > for bots, who are not affected by psychology. > > I would like to know how other bots perform in autoplay > after this opening. > > Cheers, Ingo. > > > -- > GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > -- Petri Pitkänen e-mail: petri.t.pitka...@gmail.com
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