On 11-okt-08, at 20:32, Don Dailey wrote:

I believe there have been many attempts to make this work.  These
attempts are based on the intuition that the margin approach should be
better even though it is clearly inferior. So in my opinion they start with a wrong premise. And this wrong premise is combined with another
wrong premise that the win/loss thing is inherently flawed, but works
due to some fluke.

I think this is rather a mischaracterization of why people look for this. I think people (me included) feel that replacing a whole swath of relevant information by a single number points to potentially some serious inefficiency and loss of information. The fact that nobody has found how to make use of the excess of information is no proof of course that it can't be done. I think it's a very valid question at the very least and a bit premature to call it a wrong premise. MCTS programs are still in their early days of development and it's quite possible some good improvements can be made by using more information than the simple win/loss ratio.

Mark



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