Daniel Burgos wrote: > I agree one hundred percent. Indeed, using *nix because you don't want to > pay for the OS is a moral choice (for me this is not the best reason for > using *nix but I know that this is the main reason argued). > My reason for using Unix, is that it's just far easier to get useful things done. Windows is not a "tool" like Unix is. Windows is really at it's very heart an OS for consumers, Unix is a tool for researchers, hackers, thinkers.
Computers are not what they were originally envisioned to be. In the early days they were envisioned to be real computing machines and not email and web browser toys. However, Unix is still much more about harnessing the power of the underlying computer system and is a much closer match to this AI tool it was designed to be. Having said that, I don't deny the heavy crossover. Every computer is used for just about every possible thing and it's possible to use Windows now in pretty powerful ways too. But I'm talking about the very heart of the OS. You can see in most every design choice that Unix is about getting real work done, and Windows is about selling dumbed down computers to the masses. Almost every good thing about Windows was stolen from Unix or other OS's. The whole web/email connectivity thing was started and done in Unix decades before Windows. MS was very late adapting due to Bill Gates blunder. To see how successful Microsoft has been, you will see that most people THINK all the innovation was a result of Microsoft's efforts. A lot of people didn't know about GUI's until Microsoft made the horrible windows 3.1 (and earlier versions) which were real poor rip-offs of what Macintosh already had. Most people have been hypnotized into believing MS was the start. I remember my first exposure to Xwindows on Unix. It was a real shocker for me and I thought, WOW, this is WAY better than that crappy windows 3.1 thing that constantly crashes. Another tribute to Windows advertisement campaign is that when people think of UNIX, they think "boring command line" even though Unix was WAY AHEAD of windows even in this area. The fact that Unix has a command line that is far superior to Windows command shell is not a weakness, but it is portrayed by the ignorant as such. Of course DOS is another example. Very stable, but extremely unimaginative and limited. Multi-tasking had already been around for years, but DOS kept computing for the masses in the dark ages for an unbelievably long time in modern technology terms. The DOS mentality was, "why would anybody ever need to be able to do more than 1 thing at a time?" and I heard those very words spoken by DOS users when I first got excited about multi-tasking. Perhaps those early experiences have colored my viewpoint, but I have always thought of Windows as the OS for people with no imagination or insight. I was offended when I saw the MAC commercials because even though it confirmed what I always knew, I hate the dishonest emotional and unreasoning way it was presented. I just really hate any propaganda like promotion that does not appeal to logic, but only to emotion. Let's not even talk about this same tactic being used in presidential elections. - Don > Otherwise, you will copy Windows as so many, many, many people do. > > I see it this way, the users that install linux have more money to spent in > your programs. ;-) > > 2008/4/9, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> >> David Fotland wrote: >> >>> Does Linux have a decent development environment yet? After using >>> >> Visual >> >>> studio, it would be a horrible loss of productivity to go back to >>> vi/make/gdb. Of course the linux command line tools are great when you >>> >> want >> >>> them, but they are available on Windows through cygwin, so by developing >>> >> on >> >>> Windows I get the best command line tools and the best IDE. >>> >>> >>> >>> Since I sell software, building Linux apps is out of the question, since >>> Linux users will insist that I give them my work for free. >>> >>> >> That's not true. Over the years I have payed for Linux software. Not >> very long ago I bought a chess program for Linux even though a perhaps >> slightly stronger open source program was available. They made >> versions available for Linux and windows (I'm not sure about Mac's.) >> >> If you actually believe that DOS users are willing to pay and Linux >> users are not, I think you under a misconception. Years ago I >> marketed a very strong chess program (for the time) and discovered that >> almost every chess enthusiast had a copy, but the number I actually >> sold was pathetic. And I personally know Windows users that >> routinely rip off software. >> >> I know this is subjective, but if I had to guess I would guess that the >> level of maturity and integrity of Linux users is higher (on average) >> than Windows users. At least I have that 1 data point, myself >> :-) But I have known many Linux and Windows people and my strong >> impression is that many Windows users don't seem to feel guilty about >> anything they do, and that Linux users have made their choice at least >> partly due to a certain amount of personal integrity. Having said >> that, I don't mean to imply that all Windows users are cheats, I know >> many of fine character and integrity too. >> >> I don't have any issue whatsoever with making money by selling software >> either. I'm not one of those guys that think this is somehow >> immoral. I don't believe most Linux users think this either. >> >> >> - Don >> >> >> >> >> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim >>> >> O'Flaherty, >> >>> Jr. >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:55 AM >>> To: computer-go >>> Subject: Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll second both the original poster (his troubles with Linux mirrored >>> >> mine) >> >>> and the reply (I was completely enthralled with Ubuntu...WOW!). >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Álvaro Begué <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 10:18:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux >>> >>> Get ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/). You can ask them to send you a >>> free CD. And you should consider getting a decent Internet connection. >>> >>> Álvaro. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I got excited about the free software sometime ago and bought a copy >>>> >> of >> >>>> Susie Linux. But the installation always hang up at some point and can >>>> >>>> >>> never >>> >>> >>>> complete. I had to kiss my $20 goodbye and so much for the Linux. >>>> >> Recently >> >>>> my job involves embedded Linux. For whatever reason we used the Fedora >>>> version 4. It looks like the Windows 3.1. The newest version may be >>>> >> more >> >>>> modernized, which I don't have tme to fnd out. The Linux operatng >>>> >> system >> >>> is >>> >>> >>>> about 600 Mbyte compressed. Since we have a fast internet, it took only >>>> >> 40 >> >>>> min. to download. After downloading we needed to find a software that >>>> >> can >> >>>> write ISO format on CDs. I failed to find such a software on the >>>> >> internet >> >>>> and ended up use the trial version of Nero. Then the Nero I installed >>>> highjacked my CD drive and I had to unnstall it later. I also tried >>>> >> the >> >>>> 64-bit version of Linux and the installation never worked. >>>> >>>> I begin to consder install Linux on my PC at home. With my internet >>>> connection speed, downloading 600 MB is just unrealistic. The other >>>> >> option >> >>>> is to order CD's. They cost $45 and up and I'm sure this cost will go >>>> >> up >> >>>> with time. So much for the free software. I keeps asking myself what >>>> >> will >> >>>> happen if the installation fails. I only have one computer and one >>>> >>>> >>> internet >>> >>> >>>> connection. >>>> >>>> Not that I don't trust other people's opinion, but people pitched >>>> >> other >> >>>> things before which we never hear again. >>>> >>>> >>>> DL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> computer-go mailing list >>>> computer-go@computer-go.org >>>> http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> computer-go mailing list >>> computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> computer-go mailing list >>> computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> computer-go mailing list >> computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
