Le mercredi 30 janvier 2008, David Fotland a écrit :
> 3 kyu at this level is a lot for a person.  I've know club players who never
> got better than 9k, and people who study and play may still take a year or
> more to make this much improvement.
> 
> Many club players stall somewhere between 7k and 4k and never get any
> better.
> 

Agreed 100%
One example from one serious young guy (14yo) in my club.
I think he is clever (outside of go), and serious and he 
"works" on go with 2 friends of his classroom, they discovered go together
last year. They also read books and once a month or so have a 3d
player who come to teach them... 
http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=minoru

I wish i could improve as fast as they are doing, and they are
already stronger than some adults who play since years and don't improve
anymore.

Alain

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Dailey
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 PM
> > To: computer-go
> > Subject: Re: [computer-go] 19x19 Study - prior in bayeselo, and KGS
> > study
> > 
> > I wish I knew how that translates to win expectancy (ELO rating.)    Is
> > 3 kyu at this level a pretty significant improvement?
> > 
> > - Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
> > >> Instead of playing UCT bot vs UCT bot, I am thinking about running a
> > >> scaling experiment against humans on KGS. I'll probably start with
> > >> 2k, 8k, 16k, and 32k playouts.
> > >
> > > I have a result on KGS.
> > >
> > > AyaMC  6k (5.9k) 160000po
> > http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=AyaMC
> > > AyaMC2 9k (8.4k)  10000po
> > http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=AyaMC2
> > >
> > > 160000po ... 20000po x8 core (8sec/move on Xeon 2.66GHz)
> > > 10000po ...  5000po x2 core (2sec/move on Opteron 2.4GHz)
> > >
> > > (5.9k) and (8.4k) are from the graph.
> > >
> > > AyaMC2 has played 97 games in a day on average. (2sec/move)
> > > I changed program 01/19/2008, but it is not stable yet.
> > > On this condition, 7 days or more will be needed for stable rating.
> > >
> > > Hiroshi Yamashita
> > >
> > >
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