I'm trying to figure this out.  If you get a 9 stone handicap,  you have
to give back those 9 stones?   So a 9 stone handicap is not quite as
much
as it seems although it's still pretty good.

- Don





On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 21:24 +0100, Christian Nilsson wrote:
> There's also the small issue of the compensation given to white
> because of the extra black stones on the board. Setting a modified
> komi would break (MC-)programs with an internal rule for it. Not
> setting it would break those who does not use that rule.
> 
> How is this compensation handled by the various programs on cgos, if at all?
> 
> Check http://www.britgo.org/rules/compare.html#comp if you don't know
> what I'm talking about..
> 
> //Christian
> 
> 
> On 12/22/06, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok,
> >
> > Well I'm inclined to go with the majority which seems to have turned
> > around
> > from the last time I polled.
> >
> > Now the question:  How to set it up?
> >
> > Here are the options:
> >
> >   1.  Use GTP handicap commands to set up game.
> >
> >   2.  Send the appropriate pass commands to get the initial setup
> >       to accommodate programs that have not implemented handicap.
> >
> >   3.  Do both - send handicap to programs that can handle it, otherwise
> >       guide them through it by sending play commands with passes.
> >
> > In any case, I would make the game records (SGF) look correct, doing
> > whatever
> > that takes.
> >
> > - Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 20:48 +0100, Magnus Persson wrote:
> > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > >
> > > > on 9x9 boards. To make a long story short, I didn't see any evidence
> > > > that this algorithm is fundamentally disadvantaged in handicap games.
> > > > In fact, I agree with Remi's view that it is particularly *well*
> > > > suited to handicap games compared to territory based algorithms. When
> > > > it finds itself behind, it goes for the swindle. Against an equal
> > > > opponent, that's obnoxious and futile. Against a weaker foe, it's
> > > > wise.
> > >
> > > I have to add to this. My opinion about Valkyrias play as white with
> > > handicap on
> > > 9x9 is that it plays excellent handicap go (given its strength at even). 
> > > In my
> > > view I do not have to change anything. But this is of course just my
> > > impression.
> > >
> > > It is true that MC-programs plays randomly in the end of the game but in 
> > > the
> > > opening the handicap stones are just a burden and does not really make it 
> > > play
> > > random.
> > >
> > > -Magnus
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