While I think Swift is just dandy, and see it as a step in the right direction that Apple has chosen to Open Source it, I won't be learning it until it is an ISO standard.
The reason is specifically because Apple created Objective-C 2.0 without consulting a standards body. Objective-C has many merits however I far prefer C++ and for many good reasons. Were I to state those reasons in this email no doubt a language war will result. The problem I've got is that those who pay for iOS and OS X development have it in their heads that one must know either Objective-C or Swift. That leads to my extensive C++ experience being of absolutely no use when I apply for such coding gigs - this despite that I've used C++ on the Mac since 1990, while working for Apple. Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://www.warplife.com/mdc/ Available for Software Development in the Portland, Oregon Metropolitan Area. On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Graham Cox <graham....@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:46 am, Quincey Morris >> <quinceymor...@rivergatesoftware.com> wrote: >> >> I also wonder if Swift is going to meet the Graham Cox test: “Will Graham >> use it?” I’m picking on Graham (without giving offense, I hope) because he’s >> a crusty (though lovable) retrovert who’s still doing manual memory >> management *just in case* ARC isn’t doing things right. > > > Ha ha! Thanks for the somewhat backhanded compliment. > > You might be surprised to find that I’ve been working with ARC lately, and > finding it does what it says on the tin. The only reason not to adopt it > without reservation at this point is not that it might not be doing things > right, it’s just that I have a huge codebase with MMM (and I’m leery of > changing things that work fine without some very good reason, so converting > it to ARC might do more harm than good, but that’s not a reflection on ARC, > but on my own “crusty” code). Where I did give up on ARC for a small project > a few months back, and went back to MMM was a feeling that it was getting > *something* wrong, in that I had a huge leak I couldn’t get a grip on, but > after converting laboriously back to MMM it was still there. Turned out that > was a framework leak/bug that AFACS is still unfixed from 10.10.1 Also, being > comfortable in MMM, ARC isn’t the breath of fresh air that it is to some - I > seem able to breathe underwater just fine ;-) > > Anyway, ARC isn’t an issue any longer, even for crusty retrovert me. > > Swift. Well, that’s still another matter. I will definitely learn Swift, > because as Roland says, that’s where the puck is going. Going, but not there > yet. I’m glad to hear that Swift has come on a lot since WWDC 2014, maybe by > WWDC 2016 it will be sufficiently settled. For me that’s still not really the > issue - the issue is the huge chunk of Obj-C code I have to maintain every > day. If I were to start a large new project I might use Swift even now, > especially after last week’s announcement of Swift 2.0, but I still get the > impression there is still some rough edges that cause frustration and > confusion. At the end of the day my goal is to write as much income-earning > code as I can, and as such I don’t have the luxury of learning a new language > that I can’t be productive in, however much I’d like to. So Swift adoption is > likely to be via a few small projects to dip my toe, and get comfortable, > before throwing something big at it. > > —Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/mdcrawford%40gmail.com > > This email sent to mdcrawf...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
