Steve Mills said:
Such software has already established the precedent that it needs lots and lots of keyboard shortcuts. (Finale is well over 10 years old, IIRC.) Steve isn't condemning users to a keyboard shortcut nightmare, he's continuing a well-established though specialized UI pattern. On this point I 100% agree with Steve's right to continue the tradition without molestation.
Finally, somebody that understands. Thanks for explaining it all. Don't confuse disagreement with lack of understanding. I understood what you were asking perfectly. I didn't say you absolutely shouldn't do it. You might recall that I even made a good faith suggestion for a technique that might accomplish it. But I also offered a reasoned rationale for why carrying that forward *might* not be the best use of your efforts. You reacted with snide hostility to a polite and sincere attempt to help you make your software as good as it could be. Think about that for a bit. (And that goes double for Steven who claimed that making such suggestions was the mark of a "fanboy.")
In that case, I think Steve needs to quit whining that Apple engineers aren't doing his job for him, and implement his own menu drawing for his specialized case.
It's not that Apple isn't doing my job for me, it's that they're not doing their own job. Carbon had this ability. They didn't re-add it in Cocoa. That's what I'm complaining about. Apple killed Carbon and said "use Cocoa! It's amazing! Convert all your apps now!" That would be a whole lot easier if Cocoa offered everything that Carbon did. You need to consider the possibility that Apple decided that not everything Carbon was able to do was legitimate to carry forward. That some of it might have even been fundamentally detrimental to user experience. It's among the most common reasons for behavior to be deprecated. Yes, if Apple comes up with better glyphs for numpad keys (and some of the others while they're at it), then that's all the better. Somewhere I recall seeing a little numpad icon beside the actual key character. Even that would be more obvious than a rounded rect around the character. You may be surprised to hear that I agree. Remember, I made two arguments. Not everyone has the keys and the glyph isn't sufficiently descriptive. Better glyph immediately eliminates the more problematic half of my concern. You could quite easily do the "little numpad icon" yourself, just like whatever developer created the one you remember. _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
