All this reminds me a quote I found in an old PC Week: "Objective-C is the result of adding object facilities to C with the goal of making programmers more productive. The result differs greatly from C++, which adds objects to C without making computers less efficient: quite a different goal." [PC Week, November 3, 1997]
I think bbum hit it on the head. We can get some seriously awesome optimizations out of C++, but the purpose of this languages is ultimately quite different from the purpose of Objective-C (as I see it). C++, from what I understand, is meant to be a computer efficient OO language, whereas Objective-C was designed to be a "programmer efficient" OO language. Dave On Sunday, January 18, 2009, at 05:19PM, "Michael Ash" <michael....@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Bill Bumgarner <b...@mac.com> wrote: >> I've been watching this discussion w/great interest. Thanks. >> >> A lot of the discussion seems to be focused on micro-optimizations and >> little focused on systemic optimizations. >> >> One point that I have yet to see mentioned is the overall performance >> enhancements to be had by focusing on embracing the high level services of >> the system. >> >> And by overall performance enhancement, I specifically mean that it lets you >> ship a working product in less time. And by "working product", I mean >> "product that performs well enough to keep customers happy". > >THANK YOU for saying this. I know that you will be attacked for saying >this, just watch. People will say that this philosophy does not apply >on laptops, or on iPhones, or whatever. Efficiency is always king, >they'll say! But you're 100% right about this. "Optimization" should >not refer to code efficiency, it should refer to *product* efficiency. > >Engineers treat "optimization" as a holistic process which involves >balancing money, time, reliability, and other factors as well as >straight-up product performance. Software engineering is no exception >to the necessity of this, but somehow the education in this area seems >to be completely absent. Certainly I never learned about the tradeoffs >involved in product management when I was in school, and I don't think >very many people do, but it's key to making a good product. _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
