Another data point. We replaced the original winches with Lewmar 48ST 16 years ago, and they are barely up to the task in my aging hands. A 12" winch handle would help a lot...
Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:11, David Risch via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Wow…mucho emails about winch servicing. Almost as popular as what anchor > is best? > > > > > > *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:13 PM > *To:* Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C&C34 > > > > You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with > grease, pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks. > > > > Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, > grease (from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely > as good as new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are > careful not to lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the > other is there for a guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty > jobs but simple enough to do. Once you have done one, the next is much > faster plus you don't need any special tools. > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom > > > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via > CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > > > Mike and others who have provided valuable input, > > > > This information on electric is very useful. I wasn't intending to > purchase electric in any case due to cost. > > > > I went to boat this afternoon. Ashamed to say I did not even know what > size the existing winches are. They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely > original to boat, therefore 42 years old. From what I am hearing from > everyone, a Lewmar 42ST should be adequate for a C&C34. But man, even in > 12 knts wind it takes the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet > in. I was sensing that the winch handle was about to break. > > > > After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due > for servicing. Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season! This may be part, > if not all, of the problem. I suspect the winches were disassembled and > greased about 10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows. > > > > Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, > and reassembling? Will this result in a significant improvement? What > parts of the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts > be obtained for such an old winch? > > > > Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes. > > > > Jeff Laman > > 1981 C&C34 Harmony > > Ludington, MI > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM > *To:* 'Stus-List' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > *Subject:* Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C&C34 > > > > Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the > primaries. There were no secondaries. For cruising ease the primaries had > been located where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations > for the original primaries were faired and painted over. The second set of > manual Lewmar 43ST winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard > winches. THIS WAS WAY OVERKILL! > > > > ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary. Jib trimmers facing > backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least. So we moved the cabin > top Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin > top halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe) > > > > This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST. First of all an electric > winch can be nasty. An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using > one. We always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch. > Secondly these were AWFUL to maintain. To service the winches the motor > has to be dropped from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and > lubricate the gears, pawls, etc … Due to this and due to the lack of > accessibility from beneath to do this these winches were rarely serviced > and never properly. When running the spinnaker on these secondaries they > were stiff and made spin handling more problematic than it should be (due > to the lack of east servicing). > > > > In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a > set of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes. On top of > the ease of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors > took away a LOT of unnecessary weight > > > > Just a story I thought I would share > > > > We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW > > > > Mike Hoyt > > Persistence > > Halifax, NS > > > > *From:* nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM > *To:* 'Stus-List' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* nausetbe...@optonline.net > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C&C34 > > > > Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender > have BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the > wallet pain. Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / > read good things about > > Some other thoughts: > > > > For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on > winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. > > > > Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good > things about the “eWincher” as a viable alternative for people who do not > want to make the investment in electric winches. > > > > Brian > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and > help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and > help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu >
Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
