Two points to make. Winch drum surface does wear out as in gets smooth and looses it's grip on the line causing the line to slip. Second, winch size for racing a 34. I campaigned a 34 for 12 yrs. Put Lewmar 44s on when I 1st got the boat. Also make sure you have good handles and big enough diameter sheets. Jim Former C&C 34 1982
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:46:05 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Peter McMinn <petemcm...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C&C34 Over the winter, I rebuilt the Barient 2-sp 28s that were original on my ‘85 37. Only had to replace the springs. Pawls appeared to have been replaced a few years ago but showed minimal wear; the gears and bearings were well greased by previous owners and in good shape. I’d say maintenance matters if the winch is serving your needs. Definitely worth a rebuild, considering the replacement cost. On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:13 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks. Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease (from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any special tools. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Mike and others who have provided valuable input, This information on electric is very useful. I wasn't intending to purchase electric in any case due to cost. I went to boat this afternoon. Ashamed to say I did not even know what size the existing winches are. They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to boat, therefore 42 years old. From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 42ST should be adequate for a C&C34. But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in. I was sensing that the winch handle was about to break. After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for servicing. Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season! This may be part, if not all, of the problem. I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows. Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and reassembling? Will this result in a significant improvement? What parts of the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained for such an old winch? Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes. Jeff Laman 1981 C&C34 Harmony Ludington, MI ________________________________ From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM To: 'Stus-List' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>> Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C&C34 Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries. There were no secondaries. For cruising ease the primaries had been located where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original primaries were faired and painted over. The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches. THIS WAS WAY OVERKILL! ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary. Jib trimmers facing backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least. So we moved the cabin top Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe) This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST. First of all an electric winch can be nasty. An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one. We always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch. Secondly these were AWFUL to maintain. To service the winches the motor has to be dropped from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, pawls, etc … Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath to do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly. When running the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing). In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes. On top of the ease of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT of unnecessary weight Just a story I thought I would share We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM To: 'Stus-List' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net<mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C&C34 Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things about Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things about the “eWincher” as a viable alternative for people who do not want to make the investment in electric winches. Brian Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
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