Hey David, I missed something here. Which idea was "not one of his best ideas"?
Chuck > On 02/06/2023 3:58 PM David Risch via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > > Rob Ball explained that those S/S “deck tangs” were used in lieu of > chemical bonding bulkheads to deck to provide some give when C & Cs were > racing and run hard aground at speed. Apparently when chemically bonded the > inflexible boats would “crack”. He did say it was not one of his better > ideas. Leaks etc. > > > From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:59 PM > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman <jlam...@outlook.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead > > > SS, not aluminum. The tabs as I recall are on both sides of the nav > station bulkhead. It secures the bulkhead, and likely integrates the deck > into the structure. > > > Get Outlook for Android > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4dCYiEbGCmuhpI1aM26dBuOgcSHGnKF%2FG0hPfWna6WM%3D&reserved=0 > > > --------------------------------------------- > > From: Mack McKinney via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:55:05 PM > To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: Mack McKinney <m...@woodnboats.com mailto:m...@woodnboats.com > > Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead > > > Thanks, Jeff > > Can you tell me what the aluminum plates bolted to the half-bulkhead > ahead of the nav station is? They seem visible from the settee looking aft. > > Mack > > On 1/31/2023 14:42, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List wrote: > > > > > > Mack, > > > > I also have an 81C&C34. Ditto what Nathan said regarding the SS > > tabs. No issues on my boat. Do check chain plates, however, all the way > > down to plywood knee behind settee. Also check around SS tabs at top of > > forward bulkheads. After 42 years, there will have been leaks somewhere. > > > > Jeff Laman > > > > 81 C&C34 Harmony > > > > Ludington Michigan > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4dCYiEbGCmuhpI1aM26dBuOgcSHGnKF%2FG0hPfWna6WM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Nathan Post via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:31:09 PM > > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: Nathan Post <nathan8...@gmail.com> mailto:nathan8...@gmail.com > > Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead > > > > > > > > Hello Mack, > > > > I have a 1981 C&C 34 and those outboard vertical plates on the > > bulkheads are stainless steel, not aluminum. I would be very skeptical if > > any of those components have been replaced with aluminum. These components > > attach the deck to the bulkheads since to save cost (and allow the molded > > head liner) the bulkheads were not tabbed in to the deck. I haven't had > > leaks there on my boat at the point you describe (my genoa tracks seem well > > sealed). However, the windows are hard to seal and might be leaking and so > > it is also possible that is where the water is coming from and then > > dripping down to the bulkhead (I would say that is in fact a likely source > > of water in that area). Of course also check that the bulkhead isn't > > rotted. The plates on top of the metal poles close to the main traveler > > also are a problematic leak point (for me on the starboard side a little > > water drips down the inside of that tube and ends up under the stove). I > > would agree that if the bulkhead is rotted beyond repair and needs to be > > replaced that might be a deal breaker. > > > > > > Regardless you definitely want to check the whole deck for soft > > spots - around the head vent, chain plates and penetrations for the > > bulkhead attachments were the main problems on my boat (where I replaced > > the core in 2020 - see https://photos.app.goo.gl/8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7 > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos.app.goo.gl%2F8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZsXsIWHw%2FbAV1iPkaQM4Tu%2FsgiVOXtn2nQngwMBzprs%3D&reserved=0 > > if you are curious about what I did). All repairable but good to know > > what you are getting into as it is a big project (I also glassed a lot of > > old holes that weren't needed and rebedded almost all the deck hardware, > > replaced the fixed windows, rebuilt the forward hatch, and added a bow > > roller and asym tack point > > https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipN46y4vVixlceiv3AjB6UPNMGJqgTuuwxos4pobHlp1XsBQnteV-IcwYMBlBfcjXw?key=aTVDcEFMX3dzVFVSeFZVY256WWs5bkYtSlpWM2hR > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos.google.com%2Fshare%2FAF1QipN46y4vVixlceiv3AjB6UPNMGJqgTuuwxos4pobHlp1XsBQnteV-IcwYMBlBfcjXw%3Fkey%3DaTVDcEFMX3dzVFVSeFZVY256WWs5bkYtSlpWM2hR&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=U97%2FE3YGqEI8Bcyemf8iHzeqW6dkg3damB%2Bq5rainCI%3D&reserved=0 > > as part of the project). > > > > > > Feel free to reach out if you have other questions on the boat. > > > > Nathan > > > > S/V Wisper > > > > 1981 C&C 34 KCB > > > > Portland ME > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mack McKinney via CnC-List > > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > I'm seriously considering purchasing a 1980 C&C 34. I have > > > yet to make > > > an in-person inspection, as the boat is 4 hours away, but in > > > pictures I > > > notice attached to the partial bulkheads which separate the > > > settees from > > > the galley/nav area there are what appear to be chainplates. > > > Those > > > aluminum plates are rather far aft for any standing rigging. > > > Their > > > purpose, I reckon, is to reinforce the genoa track (correct > > > me if I'm > > > way off, and these are distinguished from the aluminum tubes > > > which, I > > > suppose, reinforce the mainsheet traveler. So, here's my > > > question: > > > there is noticeable water incursion, as there is some > > > streaking on the > > > port bulkhead below the "chainplate." I assume I need to be > > > prepared for > > > deck core rot, and possible rot in the teak plywood of the > > > bulkhead. The > > > extent of any rot, if it requires the replacement of that > > > bulkhead, may > > > be a deal-breaker. Thoughts? Am I on the right track? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mack > > > Formerly C&C 30-104 > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo > > > Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > > > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jVhBfsIPivZDs9MIOaFdyQAPF6xfIEb%2Be%2Bigz6JFnwc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Thanks for your help. > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album > > site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > > > > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8080643578154a23c7bb08db03c5bd35%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638107920042112970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jVhBfsIPivZDs9MIOaFdyQAPF6xfIEb%2Be%2Bigz6JFnwc%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Stu > > > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album > > site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu >
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