Mack:
Agreed those are not chainplates. As I recall, the chainplates
come through near the front of the salon and are clearly visible from the
ceiling to a bulkhead. Mine were covered with white plastic if memory serves.
I don’t recall the support plates shown in your photo, but I agree it probably
has something to do with deck tabbing (probably tied into the genny track). On
my 1978 34 (which I sold about 10 years ago), there were several tabbing
issues, including the main salon bulkheads. It was not difficult to repair,
but doing so became necessary because bulkheads moved and doors wouldn’t close.
We put a jack between the main salon bulkhead walls (just below the ceiling),
pushed the walls back into place against the hull, and used West System to tab
the walls securely in place. Worked fine. I don’t believe the bulkheads are
connected to the ceiling either. I saw no need to do so, but make sure the
interior partners are bolted to the mast. I believe this helps to hold the
deck down.
In addition, I had two deck leaks I could not resolve. The
vertical poles in the main salon are held in place by a small deck fitting. As
Nathan described below, I had water dripping down the pole on the starboard
side to the bottom of the bulkhead and underneath the stove. I sealed that
darn thing numerous times but could never completely stop the leak. I also had
a leak further aft on the same side, and water accumulated at the aft end of
the galley. I never figured out where that water was coming from. My windows
also leaked. The listers here developed a window replacement technique using
3M tape and a certain brand of silicone that works like a charm. In my case,
the ‘78 vintage had the old oval style windows like the mid-70s 33-1. I
replaced them with Lewmar opening ports to ventilate down below. A huge
improvement, especially on hot days.
Aside from the above issues (which were a nuisance but repairable/manageable),
the 34 was a great boat. A little squirrely with the chute up in 20 knots of
breeze (much like my 42), but a great boat.
Matt
From: Nathan Post via CnC-List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:31 PM
To: Stus-List <[email protected]>
Cc: Nathan Post <[email protected]>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead
Hello Mack,
I have a 1981 C&C 34 and those outboard vertical plates on the bulkheads are
stainless steel, not aluminum. I would be very skeptical if any of those
components have been replaced with aluminum. These components attach the deck
to the bulkheads since to save cost (and allow the molded head liner) the
bulkheads were not tabbed in to the deck. I haven't had leaks there on my boat
at the point you describe (my genoa tracks seem well sealed). However, the
windows are hard to seal and might be leaking and so it is also possible that
is where the water is coming from and then dripping down to the bulkhead (I
would say that is in fact a likely source of water in that area). Of course
also check that the bulkhead isn't rotted. The plates on top of the metal poles
close to the main traveler also are a problematic leak point (for me on the
starboard side a little water drips down the inside of that tube and ends up
under the stove). I would agree that if the bulkhead is rotted beyond repair
and needs to be replaced that might be a deal breaker.
Regardless you definitely want to check the whole deck for soft spots - around
the head vent, chain plates and penetrations for the bulkhead attachments were
the main problems on my boat (where I replaced the core in 2020 - see
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7 if you are curious about what I
did). All repairable but good to know what you are getting into as it is a big
project (I also glassed a lot of old holes that weren't needed and rebedded
almost all the deck hardware, replaced the fixed windows, rebuilt the forward
hatch, and added a bow roller and asym tack point
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipN46y4vVixlceiv3AjB6UPNMGJqgTuuwxos4pobHlp1XsBQnteV-IcwYMBlBfcjXw?key=aTVDcEFMX3dzVFVSeFZVY256WWs5bkYtSlpWM2hR
as part of the project).
Feel free to reach out if you have other questions on the boat.
Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C&C 34 KCB
Portland ME
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mack McKinney via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Hi everyone!
I'm seriously considering purchasing a 1980 C&C 34. I have yet to make
an in-person inspection, as the boat is 4 hours away, but in pictures I
notice attached to the partial bulkheads which separate the settees from
the galley/nav area there are what appear to be chainplates. Those
aluminum plates are rather far aft for any standing rigging. Their
purpose, I reckon, is to reinforce the genoa track (correct me if I'm
way off, and these are distinguished from the aluminum tubes which, I
suppose, reinforce the mainsheet traveler. So, here's my question:
there is noticeable water incursion, as there is some streaking on the
port bulkhead below the "chainplate." I assume I need to be prepared for
deck core rot, and possible rot in the teak plywood of the bulkhead. The
extent of any rot, if it requires the replacement of that bulkhead, may
be a deal-breaker. Thoughts? Am I on the right track?
Thanks,
Mack
Formerly C&C 30-104
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