Same for my 4000 plus. It needed the rudder sensor to work at all. What a
PITA installing the rudder sensor was. When the Raymarine 4000 plus works
well on my boat I can use it to steer the boat straight upwind to hoist the
mainsail and I can use it while motoring but it seems to adjust too much
when sailing off the wind so I just don’t use it for that.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:02 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That's what I was wondering about. When I bought my 4000 Plus, the sales
> guy at defender said I didn't need the rudder feedback unit. But it was
> pretty worthless and I was very disappointed. Once I put the rudder
> feedback unit in, it worked brilliantly. The brains need to know where the
> rudder is otherwise it's just shooting in the dark. I wouldn't want to
> dissuade you from going to the hydraulic unit, as they are definitely
> superior. But I think you would be very surprised at how good it would work
> with the 4000 Plus and a rudder feedback.
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 4:45 PM Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> My manual and technical records are  on the boat so I had to google
>> “rudder feedback arm”. Ete’ does not have a separate one. All feedback
>> signaling appears to happen via the wheel apparatus and dealt with in the
>> control head. As arms are readily  available new I would guess that they
>> are used in more current models. My Autohelm Wheel Pilot is quite old - 20
>> years? Shortly after I bought the boat in 2015 I looked into replacing the
>> autopilot. I remember that the latest wheel units were rated for no heavier
>> a boat. It’s at that point that I realized I would need to spring for and
>> shoehorn in an under deck unit. An engine replacement and compartment refit
>> in 2019 put that item off  a couple of years. I hope this helps.
>>
>> Hans R
>> S/V Ete’
>> 1982 C&C37
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hans, does your 4000 unit have the rudder feedback arm?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 1:52 PM Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>> My 1982 C&C37 came with the older Autohelm 4000 (Raymarine) autopilot.
>>> The  unit is supposedly not that different than the latest model you are
>>> considering. Mine is inadequate downwind even in our relatively protected
>>> central Puget Sound waters. It is affected by more than wind speed - random
>>> puffs, wind shifts, crossing wave patterns,  large boat wakes, boat roll,
>>> etc. All give it panic attacks 😱 and me the need for a beer once I am
>>> safely back on the dock.🥴 As the wind rises to the upper teens the unit is
>>> often inadequate upwind. As the wind rises further into the twenties I have
>>> found the unit to be useless. More experienced friends and marine tech
>>> sorts are not surprised. Fancy that. As my budget allows I plan to install
>>> a below deck unit, hydraulic or direct drive. That will be a bit of fun.
>>> FWIW, at 16-18K lbs. loaded, my boat is over the recommended displacement
>>> for the Autohelm wheel unit. I believe yours is similar. I have had to
>>> replace the little SSTL drive pins often. I’ve also changed drive belts and
>>> otherwise kept the unit well maintained and clean. I mostly singlehand and
>>> a strong, reliable autopilot is critical to my continued use of the boat. I
>>> am 70, reasonably fit and grew up around smaller boats and stupidly
>>> self-endangering marine situations 🙄 but am no champion or truly
>>> experienced old sea dog.
>>> So … happily not dead yet. 😊
>>> Twixt and ‘tween is not a generally happy place to be in, so …
>>> All the best,
>>> Hans R
>>> S/V Ete’   1982 C&C37
>>> Shilshole Bay Marina
>>> Seatlle
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Chuck
>>> minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
>>> Don
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> I have a C&C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which
>>> is being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts on Narra
>>> Bay, Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound.  Have never engaged it above 20
>>> kts. The only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" brackets that
>>> connect the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and needed to be
>>> replaced.  I think this was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has
>>> become none functional and I initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder
>>> when at anchor/mooring.  Not too smart!!
>>>
>>> Don Kern
>>> *Fireball, *C&C35 Mk2
>>> Bristol, RI
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100)
>>> on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine
>>> control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control
>>> cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to
>>> add this style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to
>>> see if there were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive
>>> unit and the control housing.  This type engine control extends below the
>>> top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port
>>> and starboard.
>>>
>>> I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel
>>> pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to
>>> facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as
>>> picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple
>>> coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not
>>> having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.
>>>   A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the
>>> drive unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm,
>>> and the fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>>
>>> Chuck Gilchrest
>>>
>>> S/V Half Magic
>>>
>>> 1983 Landfall 35
>>>
>>> Padanaram, MA
>>>
>>>
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