Interesting discussion! On Lake St Clair our 35 mk I OD fleet sailed with 167 as #1. This year we're going to 155 as largest headsail but I can still use 167 on Wednesday races , (rating is 132). We see winds from 0 to 20 true but mostly race in 8-12
Bob Mann s/v Mystic > On 02/09/2021 3:20 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > > Charlie, > > At some point you get a credit for a smaller headsail I would check with > my local PHRF and go that way. A 129 or 134 is a whole lot easier to manage > in 10 knots and you will be able to carry full sail just a little longer. Or > keep the 155 just for racing and get a 130 for cruising. My 2 cents. > > Joel > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 3:09 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > You know Charlie, > > > > I am guessing you probably have a Blade, or #3, or something around > > 110 – Why don’t you just do a season with that, and weigh all the pros and > > cons? > > > > On one hand, I used to have the 135-140, and never felt the need > > for anything bigger. When the wind piped up, 18 – 20 out in the lake, we > > would just drop the main, and do great. I never rolled it up, I just feel > > it make for a terrible shape, and also it ruins the sail. For an afternoon > > cruise, It was simple to go out and not even touch the main. > > > > On the other hand, I have been sailing with a 100% the last few > > years, and my crew is just blown away at how easy their job has become. It > > you are quick with the sheets on a tack, you almost don’t even need to > > crank! I think in a race where you are tacking a bit, this can make up for > > all the time we would spend cranking the last 5 feet, trying to get back up > > to speed, that was brutal! Plus, that also weighed on my mind when I knew > > I needed to tack, but hung on B/C I knew how much we would lose in the > > tack. Also, if the crew was still huffing and puffing. As far as > > cruising, I used to think I couldn’t sail with just a blade, but found out > > last year it doesn’t do that bad in a breeze. Can’t go 45° go with just a > > blade, but it will do 50, if there is a little breeze and you are feeling > > lazy. One place you may lose a bit is going downwind wing and wing with a > > pole. > > > > > > > > I just think trying it for awhile might open your eyes to things > > you hadn’t thought of. Plus, you will have another year to save up for the > > new sail ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Coleman > > > > Entrada, Erie, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com ] > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 11:23 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: cenel...@aol.com mailto:cenel...@aol.com > > Subject: Stus-List New sails, new wind > > > > > > > > Hello all listers. > > > > > > > > I have a hypothetical for the racers among you. > > > > > > > > I need to replace my 3DL headsail--its mostly patches after ~ 5 > > years of club racing locally. This is about my 3rd laminate style > > headsail---and my last! > > > > > > > > I am probably going with the North 3D Nordac which has replaced the > > former 3DL technology with what they call a composite sail--not laminated > > but still built over a 3D mold of the sail shape desired--if I understand > > this correctly. I do not need the super light and costly Raw or Endurance. > > > > > > > > Anyhow, I plan to move to a new sailing area off Southport, NC near > > Bald Head Island at the mouth of the Cape Fear River--basically on the NC > > coast. > > > > > > > > All my club racing to date has been in the Pamlico and Neuse > > Rivers, occasionally racing to Ocracoke across the Pamlico Sound. For these > > areas, a 155% headsail is the largest you can race with locally without > > penalty and so that is what I have always used. > > > > > > > > The North sail maker suggested because of the higher coastal winds > > that I may not need a 155% since the wind strength is higher at the coast. > > OTOH, a racer there uses a 155% headsail and says he does well with it. > > > > > > > > I checked the historical average wind speed for Southport and New > > Bern and the coastal winds are from 20-25% higher than at New Bern. > > > > For instance, the avg. wind speed varies from 5.5-8.1 knots in New > > Bern vs. about 7-10 knots in Southport, or about 25% higher on average. > > > > > > > > Further, I know from experience that my masthead rig becomes > > seriously overpowered once the wind gets greater than about 12 knots true, > > when its time to reef the main(I only have 1 reef point) and if it goes > > above ~ 15 knots, I need to roll the headsail a few turns (or change down > > to a 135% or 90% headsail). > > > > > > > > I am not inclined to go less than the 155% allowed locally (PHRF) > > but maybe I should--the local North guy suggested ~ 140%. This might better > > match the local wind and is less expensive since less material is used. > > OTOH, I don't want to be under canvassed on the light air days. > > > > > > > > Further, there is the question of sail material weight to consider. > > > > > > > > I plan for this to be my last headsail purchase and may use it some > > for local cruising in addition to club racing. BTW, it will be used on a > > furler either way. > > > > > > > > So what would the listers do!! > > > > > > > > Charlie Nelson > > > > 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > > Water Phantom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to > > help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list > > - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > Thanks - Stu > > > > > > > -- > Joel > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help > with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu >
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
