You will twist around, if the line is free. If you are climbing the mast, you can use it to prevent the twisting. A loop around the mast helps a lot.
Marek From: Bob Mann via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: January 24, 2021 11:32 To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Bob Mann <sailrm...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch bit I purchased something similar to this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/124241193190<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F124241193190&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce4834c2cdca45a7230708d8c085ba9c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637471027876264828%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4Vq16jHk7UGfhTn1xm1Ra3zdhmYHZkjk5uBKTk0zhbg%3D&reserved=0> but for a LOT less money, about the cost of a bosun's chair. Mine has the climbing harness, a sewn strap that connects hands to feet, a pair of petzel ascenders and possibly a carabiner or two. The frog system is the method of ascending/descending. Basically, stand on left foot, raise right hand & foot together (right foot strap comes up with hand). Stand on now raised right foot and repeat for left side. To descend, you control the rate of descent. To be fair, I've never used it to climb the mast, just a test climb at a barn with a rock climber to understand how it all works. One fear is that you would twist around the line being climbed. Wear a helmet!! Bob On 01/24/2021 10:25 AM Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Marek - have found the hoisting of my not quite 100kg to be a lot as well. I'm not at all happy that I have the ascent sorted as well as I should - needs to be simple and safe. Could you share Some detail or reference material on the ascenders you use and the technique? Thanks, Dave 33-2 windstar. April 28 launch! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I don't believe in hoisting people up. You have to climb up, with the line used mainly as safety. When I go up, I use a pair of ascenders on one halyard and have someone at the winch using the second halyard for safety. If I have to do it alone (and I often do), I use a third ascender on the second halyard. Cranking up 100 kg of dead weight up the mast is a very tough job that I don't wish on anyone (so I don't ask anyone to do it). Your legs are much stronger than arms (at least mine are). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa, ON From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: January 24, 2021 8:32 To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER <cscheaf...@comcast.net<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>; Adam Hayden <hayden.a...@hotmail.com<mailto:hayden.a...@hotmail.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch bit Chuck Wouldn't it take as much effort to hoist the bag of chain up as to hoist a person up? I would do the same and use a corded drill alongside. Adam Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. ________________________________ From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:49:28 AM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER <cscheaf...@comcast.net<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch bit Found "The Cranker" bit for $40. https://www.thecranker.com/#_What_is_%E2%80%A6?<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecranker.com%2F%23_What_is_%25E2%2580%25A6%3F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce4834c2cdca45a7230708d8c085ba9c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637471027876264828%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kr55xf4ZL4QTu1vedoEtIFwjjmYvBuvX4ymNrlUDjBI%3D&reserved=0> Never tried one but it looks worth having the bit. I'd rather do this at the dock and use a corded angle drill like this $150 one from Harbor Freight https://www.harborfreight.com/13-amp-2-speed-12-in-heavy-duty-right-angle-drill-kit-64121.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harborfreight.com%2F13-amp-2-speed-12-in-heavy-duty-right-angle-drill-kit-64121.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce4834c2cdca45a7230708d8c085ba9c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637471027876274785%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=i9JsCRfm0yo%2BVwXmeCLn9haZ7gQOH8V1l7VQaOJHwz4%3D&reserved=0> Or rig up an electric winch at the base of the mast with a remote control. Or hoist a duffelbag full of anchor chain weighing the same weight of the climber to the mast head and then use that to neutralize the climber's weight so he can scamper on up at his leisure. Never tried it but read it somewhere. Chuck S On 01/23/2021 10:35 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I used a friend's bit and 1/2" right angled drill to hoist me up the mast. I was able to get almost all the way up on a full charge. Works great, but if I couldn't borrow the drill and bit, I wouldn't buy one just for that purpose. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Have any of you used the winch bit and a cordless drill for either hoisting someone aloft or for raising sails? I came across it in a forum and it seemed like a good idea. Not sure if it is just gimmicky or if it really works? Adam C&C 36 Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. 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