I know this is getting a lot off topic from C&C’s, but as we are all going crazy locked up . . .
There is an interesting special on PBS, Nature TONIGHT on Pangolins . Be interesting to see if they connect the link between Pangolins, Bats, and CV19 – Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:18 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Ken Heaton; Bruce Whitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update MD & USVI To try to answer that question I'll supply this quote and a link to its source (John Hopkins University): Carolyn Machamer, a cell biologist who specializes in coronaviruses, discusses the latest research on the virus that causes COVID-19 By Samuel Volkin / Published March 20 According to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can live in the air and on surfaces between several hours and several days. The study found that the virus is viable for up to 72 hours on plastics, 48 hours on stainless steel, 24 hours on cardboard, and 4 hours on copper. It is also detectable in the air for three hours. Carolyn Machamer, a professor of cell biology whose lab at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine has studied the basic biology of coronaviruses for years, joined Johns Hopkins MPH/MBA candidate Samuel Volkin for a brief discussion of these findings and what they mean for efforts to protect against spread of the virus. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity. Volkin: According to this report, it sounds like the COVID-19 virus is potentially living on surfaces for days. How worried should we be about our risk of becoming infected simply by touching something an infected person was in contact with days ago? Machamer: What's getting a lot of press and is presented out of context is that the virus can last on plastic for 72 hours—which sounds really scary. But what's more important is the amount of the virus that remains. It's less than 0.1% of the starting virus material. Infection is theoretically possible but unlikely at the levels remaining after a few days. People need to know this. https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/20/sars-cov-2-survive-on-surfaces/ Ken H. On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 15:04, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Fair enough, and this is one of the problems with getting quality news. The underlying question I guess is, if you find the RNA, is it still viable, i.e, can you contract the disease from it? I consider the study released by the NE Journal of Medicine to be as authoritative as any, and they indicate viable virus could be detected on stainless for about 72 hours, though the virus titer was greatly reduced over that time. There are some additional studies out there, but I'm not seeing much in the way of conflicting information. Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 1:40:09 PM EDT, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: So if we are going to be accurate: SARS-COV-2 is an RNA virus that causes Covid 19 and the test uses the RNA from the virus to test for its presence. It is very unlikely that there would be any RNA around if it is not coming from virus. It is possible you might find naked RNA without the rest of the virus, but unlikely, and that is the same for all Covid-19 tests. When a patient tests positive, it means they are finding RNA in the sample, not virus. There is presently no test for “live virus” as there is no such thing as a living virus and no test for functional virus except to infect cells in culture in a laboratory. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hey folks, please note that in the stories, they talk about RNA, not live virus being found on the cruise ship surfaces. Please, let's be very careful about sharing accurate information, and double checking our sources! Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:16:02 PM EDT, Neil Andersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: And the good news was the virus was found to have survived 17 days on surfaces on one of the cruise ships that had the issue (not sure which one), but instead of living for hours, they are now saying it lives for days! YIKES. Sincerely, Neil Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd, Rock Hall, MD 21661 neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/pub/neil-andersen/0/239/a36/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Save money and the environment. Use Century Gothic font and save 30% of your ink *** Confidential and Privileged *** This e-mail message and any attachments are for the sole purpose of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail, and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:36 AM To: CnC discussion list CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update MD & USVI That is not the only absurd aspect of the response to Covid 19. You can’t access your boat nor can I go into my University office, which in both cases there is no contact with other people. But I can go to the hardware store or grocery store where you can’t help but encounter other people. That is the situation in CT, anyway. Not logical or based on any science. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <image001.png> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: How the hell is THAT going to work? My marina has about 20 live-aboards. I don’t even see the point, when I am on the boat I am remotely close to any other person. I get out of the car and go directly to my boat. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List < <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:58 AM To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander < <mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update MD & USVI That may be a state instruction. Talbot County is saying the same thing. Gary From: CnC-List < <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:19 AM To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Neil Andersen < <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Covid 19 update MD & USVI All the marinas in Kent County Maryland (Rock Hall, Tolchester, Worton Creek, etc.) are closed for boat owners. The county instruction allow them to staff with their own people if the maintain “social distancing”. So in at least some cases you can’t work on your own boat but can pay them to do work. USVI is closed to visitors too. Neil 1982 C&C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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