Hi All, Don’t pay any attention to Dwight or me! We love our boats so much we let this thread wander along with the wrong heading, (1974 36 mk2) just to stay under the radar. You see we both have 1974 C&C 35-II’s and know just what an anomaly they are in the C&C line. Sure other boats are faster, but nothing else has the same comfort and performance sweet spot. Racing & Marketing wanted faster boats with flatter bottoms, but we are still in love with the ones we have. . .
OK I will shut up now! Ha- Lee > On Jan 10, 2019, at 4:59 02AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Correct the 35 mkii is very good in light air but that depends on good sails > and crew. And also very good in rough seas. The motion comfort factor from > the sailing calculator on the cncphotoalbum site predicts very good > performance for its length and displacement in rough seas. It is particulary > slippery downwind because of that 30 ft 3 inch water line length. Also i > happen to really like the boats shear lines and the ample use of teak below > decks all fit together flawlessly by what must have been a very good marine > carpenter. > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > I was really focused on rough weather performance when I was shopping but the > reality was much different. After some foolhardy excursions we chose not to > sail in rough conditions, it wasn't fun. Out there on the West coast you > might not have the choice all the time. This is something I would consider > more carefully next time I buy. We're coastal cruisers, most anything will do > if you pay attention to the weather. I would take that Westsnail completely > off the list. > > The CS 36T is a fabulous boat, that's on my short list for next. But I love > C&Cs, and they're cheaper. > > Steve > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:04 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Try looking at a 34. Love ours. We are second owner and had her for 20 > years. Great in all conditions excels in light air. Well built. > Traditional layout that just works well. Large enough for hot water, stove > with oven, etc. Easily handled by couple. Cruise 4 very comfortably. > Normally have Yanmar diesels. Later builds with (80 to 82) have better > interiors > > > > John and Maryann > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Rod Stright via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:19 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Rod Stright > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions > > > > In my view, although older, the C&C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat. We > won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and on > the trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept the > bow from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t cope and > had to motor sail much slower. The flare also deflected the waves back down > into the sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats. A lot of room > below compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline as I recall). > Very well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but overall they seem > to have stood up fairly well. > > > > Good luck!! > > > > Rod Stright > > C&C 99 > > Halifax > > > > From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of dwight veinot via > CnC-List > Sent: January-10-19 5:55 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com <mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions > > > > Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto > album site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it very > useful > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > > > Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings > around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and > walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island, > that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard. There > are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but nothing new at > the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what I want yet, so > the boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and usually just out of > my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS 36T. The CS 36T I have > not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby, and the interior photos > I've seen look great, but it's about double my budget, so I'm now considering > the CS 30, but they are much less common here. Lots of C&Cs, but anything > over 27' is usually asking too much, like $30K+. I even looked at Catalina > 30... > > > > The only C&C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says > it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he won't > drop the price... > > There are a ton of C&Cs here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common that > Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places. > > > > I do need to get on board a few more C&Cs to get a feel for them, as I have > only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must. Trouble > is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas that we > will sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that usually > means at least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD. > > > > But I am learning at lot along the way. :) > > > > Thanks > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice. > > > > This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling > recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live to > look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting how > he liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just gone to > a used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you can learn a > lot walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or calling on brokers > and seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid to show boats. Get > your short list figured out, buy the first boat that meets your requirements > and price point. Go sailing. > > > > For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and > went through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make the > effort. First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage off, it > was a hard decision. > > > > Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and > jealous :) > > > > If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C&C 32. > And they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great PHRF > boats and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great > handling, and sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine > was a 1980, later ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for 18k, > sold for 25k five years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment and > hours of work later - and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian Bay). I > sold a turn-key boat with new sails, solar panels, electrical, plumbing, etc > etc etc. > > > > FWIW > > > > Steve > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:57 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat for > someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in > recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like to > see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, with > dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can say that > it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated to sell, > so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com > <mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will report > back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after viewing a > Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. Needless to say, > I preferred the C&C, and it just made me more curious about Callisto. If the > work done appears to be well executed and not a hack job. Will report back... > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for a > boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make anyway. > (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively free in a used boat). > 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2. > Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) but > cash is king.... he’s seeking reasonable offers. > Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have planned, > and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially if you can > steer from there, sitting in the companionway. (Under power Via autopilot) > Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported. > Good luck! > > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca > > <mailto:sthom...@bellnet.ca>> wrote: > > > > > > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably > > well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are > > generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. > > > > Steve Thomas > > C&C 27MKIII > > C&C 36 > > > > ---- Shawn Wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am > > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for > > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island. > > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has: > > > > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib. > > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs. > > Watermaker > > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built). > > > > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high. > > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178 > > <https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178> > > > > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Shawn Wright > > shawngwri...@gmail.com <mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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