Thank you!

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:28 PM Eric Baumes <eric.bau...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Should have said that list was in no particular order.
>
> Yes, main usually comes over last.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> We always jibe the mast last.  Are we doing it wrong?
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jobs to do when dip jibing symmetrical chute/ Ideal setup.
>>>
>>> 1. Main trimmer (jibes main)
>>> 2. Foredeck (switches pole to new working guy)
>>> 3. Mast (raises and lowers pole on mast, lowers and raises the topping
>>> lift)
>>> 4. Chute trimmer
>>> 5. Guy trimmer (squares pole)
>>> 6. Helm
>>> 7. Pit (check stays)
>>> 8. Floater (tends misc. lines when trimmer and guy change sides)
>>>
>>> Sure people can do more than one job. And sometimes with inexperience
>>> crew you are better off that way (4-5 good crew are essential). But you
>>> won't be as fast and as precise short-handed as a crew who can execute.
>>> You wont be as fast as jibing an asym and you will avoid Jibing when it may
>>> be advantageous.
>>>
>>> In any weather, the helm should only be steering and someone should be
>>> tending the main. The results of divided attention during can be really
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Susan Kaseler <skis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been sitting on my hands about responding to this but I don’t
>>>> understand why you need 6 to 7 on board to fly a symmetrical shoot. This
>>>> number of crew is great for keeping the boat flat but I’ve never been so
>>>> lucky to attract that many crew. Maybe we needed better lunch and beer. SLY
>>>> is only a 33 footer and yours is 36 but when we raced competitively we
>>>> seldom had more than 3 on board and almost always flew the shoot. We “end
>>>> for end” jibe which might be more difficult on the 36 than the 33 and I
>>>> have little experience doing a dip pole jibe but I don’t believe it takes
>>>> more people. When the wind filled in we used “lazy guys” which provided a
>>>> great deal more control. In my opinion it’s nice to have a full compliment
>>>> of players when racing and flying the symmetrical shoot but not necessary.
>>>> When we were 3, we were careful to avoid the need for a jibe set. The
>>>> foredeck crew would set up the turtle, set the pole to its approximate
>>>> position with it clipped to the guy not the sail and then would move to the
>>>> halyard. The helmsman would do her magic and the third would control the
>>>> sheet and guy. Or the lazy guy if weather dictated. Not the ideal situation
>>>> but possible on SLY. For the jibe the helmsman steered straight downwind,
>>>> the foredeck guy removed the pole from the mast, clipped it to the lazy guy
>>>> or the sheet, held the pole perpendicular to the wind and waited for the
>>>> call from the helmsman to release the new sheet and fasten the new free end
>>>> of the pole to the mast. The third handled the sheet and guy to keep the
>>>> sail full as the helmsman headed up to the new course. There have been many
>>>> club Races were we were just two and still flew the shoot but I can’t
>>>> recommend that. My wife, the skipper, is not fond of steering with her
>>>> knees while handling the sheet and guy while I’m yelling at her to let a
>>>> couple of inches off the topping lift.
>>>> Not always easy but we made it happen and had a lot of fun doing it.
>>>> Dave.
>>>> 1975 C&C 33
>>>> SLY
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Depends on the locality.
>>>>
>>>> E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one
>>>> cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to
>>>> discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare
>>>> a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall
>>>> and heavier wind.
>>>>
>>>> PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am
>>>> not sure for what conditions they allow it.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the
>>>>> pole? I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed
>>>>> races.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
>>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym
>>>>> on sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to
>>>>>> a standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard
>>>>>> pole/spin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Persistence
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Halifax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Eric Baumes via CnC-List
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM
>>>>>> *To:* cnc-list
>>>>>> *Cc:* Eric Baumes
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here
>>>>>> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the pertinent information on sizing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *PHRF Regulations*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without
>>>>>> penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6
>>>>>> second penalty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden
>>>>>> 99mm Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is
>>>>>> comprised of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the 
>>>>>> forward
>>>>>> ring was mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just
>>>>>> enough room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is something you can DIY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it
>>>>>> to avoid the freight charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1993 34/36+
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hee Soo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
>>>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8)
>>>>>> have me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for
>>>>>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and
>>>>>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the 
>>>>>> option
>>>>>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed.
>>>>>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
>>>>>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get
>>>>>> some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention
>>>>>> figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list
>>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Charlie Nelson
>>>>>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>>>>>> (Rob Ball design)
>>>>>> Water Phantom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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