Thank you! On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:28 PM Eric Baumes <eric.bau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Should have said that list was in no particular order. > > Yes, main usually comes over last. > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> We always jibe the mast last. Are we doing it wrong? >> >> Joel >> >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Jobs to do when dip jibing symmetrical chute/ Ideal setup. >>> >>> 1. Main trimmer (jibes main) >>> 2. Foredeck (switches pole to new working guy) >>> 3. Mast (raises and lowers pole on mast, lowers and raises the topping >>> lift) >>> 4. Chute trimmer >>> 5. Guy trimmer (squares pole) >>> 6. Helm >>> 7. Pit (check stays) >>> 8. Floater (tends misc. lines when trimmer and guy change sides) >>> >>> Sure people can do more than one job. And sometimes with inexperience >>> crew you are better off that way (4-5 good crew are essential). But you >>> won't be as fast and as precise short-handed as a crew who can execute. >>> You wont be as fast as jibing an asym and you will avoid Jibing when it may >>> be advantageous. >>> >>> In any weather, the helm should only be steering and someone should be >>> tending the main. The results of divided attention during can be really >>> bad. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Susan Kaseler <skis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been sitting on my hands about responding to this but I don’t >>>> understand why you need 6 to 7 on board to fly a symmetrical shoot. This >>>> number of crew is great for keeping the boat flat but I’ve never been so >>>> lucky to attract that many crew. Maybe we needed better lunch and beer. SLY >>>> is only a 33 footer and yours is 36 but when we raced competitively we >>>> seldom had more than 3 on board and almost always flew the shoot. We “end >>>> for end” jibe which might be more difficult on the 36 than the 33 and I >>>> have little experience doing a dip pole jibe but I don’t believe it takes >>>> more people. When the wind filled in we used “lazy guys” which provided a >>>> great deal more control. In my opinion it’s nice to have a full compliment >>>> of players when racing and flying the symmetrical shoot but not necessary. >>>> When we were 3, we were careful to avoid the need for a jibe set. The >>>> foredeck crew would set up the turtle, set the pole to its approximate >>>> position with it clipped to the guy not the sail and then would move to the >>>> halyard. The helmsman would do her magic and the third would control the >>>> sheet and guy. Or the lazy guy if weather dictated. Not the ideal situation >>>> but possible on SLY. For the jibe the helmsman steered straight downwind, >>>> the foredeck guy removed the pole from the mast, clipped it to the lazy guy >>>> or the sheet, held the pole perpendicular to the wind and waited for the >>>> call from the helmsman to release the new sheet and fasten the new free end >>>> of the pole to the mast. The third handled the sheet and guy to keep the >>>> sail full as the helmsman headed up to the new course. There have been many >>>> club Races were we were just two and still flew the shoot but I can’t >>>> recommend that. My wife, the skipper, is not fond of steering with her >>>> knees while handling the sheet and guy while I’m yelling at her to let a >>>> couple of inches off the topping lift. >>>> Not always easy but we made it happen and had a lot of fun doing it. >>>> Dave. >>>> 1975 C&C 33 >>>> SLY >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Depends on the locality. >>>> >>>> E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one >>>> cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to >>>> discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare >>>> a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall >>>> and heavier wind. >>>> >>>> PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am >>>> not sure for what conditions they allow it. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eric, >>>>> >>>>> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the >>>>> pole? I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed >>>>> races. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym >>>>> on sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < >>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to >>>>>> a standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard >>>>>> pole/spin? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> Persistence >>>>>> >>>>>> Halifax >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf >>>>>> Of *Eric Baumes via CnC-List >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM >>>>>> *To:* cnc-list >>>>>> *Cc:* Eric Baumes >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here >>>>>> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is the pertinent information on sizing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *PHRF Regulations* >>>>>> >>>>>> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without >>>>>> penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 >>>>>> second penalty. >>>>>> >>>>>> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden >>>>>> 99mm Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is >>>>>> comprised of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the >>>>>> forward >>>>>> ring was mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just >>>>>> enough room. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is something you can DIY. >>>>>> >>>>>> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it >>>>>> to avoid the freight charge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> 1993 34/36+ >>>>>> >>>>>> Hee Soo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List < >>>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) >>>>>> have me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to >>>>>> be >>>>>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had 6 for >>>>>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and >>>>>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down >>>>>> to >>>>>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st >>>>>> if >>>>>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the >>>>>> option >>>>>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite >>>>>> so >>>>>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. >>>>>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated. >>>>>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get >>>>>> some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention >>>>>> figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list >>>>>> wisdom. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Charlie Nelson >>>>>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>>>> (Rob Ball design) >>>>>> Water Phantom >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. >>>>>> Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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