Eric, We always jibe the mast last. Are we doing it wrong?
Joel On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Jobs to do when dip jibing symmetrical chute/ Ideal setup. > > 1. Main trimmer (jibes main) > 2. Foredeck (switches pole to new working guy) > 3. Mast (raises and lowers pole on mast, lowers and raises the topping > lift) > 4. Chute trimmer > 5. Guy trimmer (squares pole) > 6. Helm > 7. Pit (check stays) > 8. Floater (tends misc. lines when trimmer and guy change sides) > > Sure people can do more than one job. And sometimes with inexperience crew > you are better off that way (4-5 good crew are essential). But you won't be > as fast and as precise short-handed as a crew who can execute. You wont be > as fast as jibing an asym and you will avoid Jibing when it may be > advantageous. > > In any weather, the helm should only be steering and someone should be > tending the main. The results of divided attention during can be really > bad. > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Susan Kaseler <skis...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have been sitting on my hands about responding to this but I don’t >> understand why you need 6 to 7 on board to fly a symmetrical shoot. This >> number of crew is great for keeping the boat flat but I’ve never been so >> lucky to attract that many crew. Maybe we needed better lunch and beer. SLY >> is only a 33 footer and yours is 36 but when we raced competitively we >> seldom had more than 3 on board and almost always flew the shoot. We “end >> for end” jibe which might be more difficult on the 36 than the 33 and I >> have little experience doing a dip pole jibe but I don’t believe it takes >> more people. When the wind filled in we used “lazy guys” which provided a >> great deal more control. In my opinion it’s nice to have a full compliment >> of players when racing and flying the symmetrical shoot but not necessary. >> When we were 3, we were careful to avoid the need for a jibe set. The >> foredeck crew would set up the turtle, set the pole to its approximate >> position with it clipped to the guy not the sail and then would move to the >> halyard. The helmsman would do her magic and the third would control the >> sheet and guy. Or the lazy guy if weather dictated. Not the ideal situation >> but possible on SLY. For the jibe the helmsman steered straight downwind, >> the foredeck guy removed the pole from the mast, clipped it to the lazy guy >> or the sheet, held the pole perpendicular to the wind and waited for the >> call from the helmsman to release the new sheet and fasten the new free end >> of the pole to the mast. The third handled the sheet and guy to keep the >> sail full as the helmsman headed up to the new course. There have been many >> club Races were we were just two and still flew the shoot but I can’t >> recommend that. My wife, the skipper, is not fond of steering with her >> knees while handling the sheet and guy while I’m yelling at her to let a >> couple of inches off the topping lift. >> Not always easy but we made it happen and had a lot of fun doing it. >> Dave. >> 1975 C&C 33 >> SLY >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Depends on the locality. >> >> E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one >> cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to >> discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare >> a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall >> and heavier wind. >> >> PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am >> not sure for what conditions they allow it. >> >> Eric >> >> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the >>> pole? I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed >>> races. >>> >>> >>> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym >>> on sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to a >>>> standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard >>>> pole/spin? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Persistence >>>> >>>> Halifax >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric >>>> Baumes via CnC-List >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM >>>> *To:* cnc-list >>>> *Cc:* Eric Baumes >>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here >>>> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the pertinent information on sizing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *PHRF Regulations* >>>> >>>> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without >>>> penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 >>>> second penalty. >>>> >>>> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm >>>> Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised >>>> of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was >>>> mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck. >>>> >>>> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough >>>> room. >>>> >>>> This is something you can DIY. >>>> >>>> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to >>>> avoid the freight charge. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you have any questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> 1993 34/36+ >>>> >>>> Hee Soo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have >>>> me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be >>>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had 6 for >>>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and >>>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to >>>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if >>>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option >>>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so >>>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. >>>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated. >>>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get >>>> some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention >>>> figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list >>>> wisdom. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Charlie Nelson >>>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>> (Rob Ball design) >>>> Water Phantom >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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