Hi all, I've been reading this subject for a few days now, and it's interesting that it doesn't look like anybody has mentioned the Dutchman Flaking System. I really like mine and it works very well for flaking my sail when single-handing.
They have a website you can Google and learn more about the system - it's simple and works really well and doesn't seem to be a problem for cruising or racing and it's never in the way. Fair winds and fun sailing! Jim Eagon "Trinity" C&C 37 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2016, at 17:09, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy jacks > (Richard) > 2. Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy jacks > (Tom Buscaglia) > 3. Lazy Jack System (Stu) > 4. Re: Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy jacks > (Marek Dziedzic) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 18:53:04 -0500 > From: Richard <bushma...@aol.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy > jacks > Message-ID: <e3d35a54-b52a-4cd4-af0f-1847a1764...@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dave, thank, I would really like to see what your design looks like! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> I?ve never had lazy-jacks on any of my boats but have just given my new >> rigger a detailed set of drawings for a 3-leg lazy-jack system that allows >> me to pull on one line which will pull all the lazy-jacks tight to the mast >> while sailing. I really, really hate the idea of lazy-jacks and/or a topping >> lift rubbing against my mainsail. Just the way I roll I guess. >> >> That said, these days, having the ability to drop a mainsail/ fake it and >> cover it fairly quickly makes my wife very happy? >> >> If you?re interested, I can send you a copy of the design. >> >> Best, >> Dave Godwin >> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin >> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay >> Ronin?s Overdue Refit >> >>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'll third the sentiments of Marek and Kevin. I have a Stack Pack/Lazy >>> Jack set-up and it is really nice equipment, but if I had it to do over >>> again I would probably just get the lazy jacks and save the money for the >>> pack. >>> >>> My lazy jacks turn on blocks on the spreaders and the lines then run to >>> turning blocks at the base of the mast and then run back to the cockpit. >>> So the jacks can be loosened from the cockpit and allowed to dangle near >>> the mast when raising the main/sailing and then pulled tight when it is >>> time to lower the main. They also have the option for someone to go >>> forward and clip them down. >>> >>> Graham Young >>> S/V Spellbound >>> 1981 C&C 32 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, December 2, 2016 3:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> btw. it is enough to move ?away? (to the mast) only one side of the lazy >>> jacks for hoisting the main. If you move the starboard side, you steer a >>> bit off the wind (wind from the port bow) and the sail does not touch them. >>> >>> Marek >>> >>> From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 15:10 >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: Kevin Driscoll >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection >>> >>> I concur with Marek. I have a stack pack and would personally prefer a >>> simple set of lazyjacks and a traditional mainsail cover. >>> >>> On the 42' boat I race on, we keep the lazy jacks "away" forward by the >>> goose neck. Therefore, when raising the main they do not get in the way of >>> the battens. Before dropping, we deploy the lazy jacks "Up" drop the main, >>> and deal with flaking and sail ties back at the dock. The lazy jacks are >>> put "away" again before we put the sail cover on. >>> >>> I follow roughly the same procedure on our boat with our stack pack. I >>> personally never understood people trying to raise their batten'd main with >>> the stack pack or lazy jacks deployed. 2 out of 3 times you are going to >>> catch at least one batten and potentially damage your main or at least >>> cause unnecessary chafe/wear. >>> >>> It is possible to set up lazy jacks with bungee and lines led to the >>> cockpit for those with reduced mobility or the lazy among us. I wouldn't >>> find it necessary unless I were hoisting and dousing the main multiple >>> times in a day, say as in a charter situation where you were taking people >>> out every few hours. >>> >>> Two cents. >>> >>> Kevin >>> PDX >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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Mike drop! > > Typoed from my iPhone > > Tom Buscaglia > Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40 > Vashon Island WA > O 206.463.9200 > C 305.409.3660 > Skype - thombusc > > > >> On Dec 2, 2016, at 3:51 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 15:50:12 -0800 >> From: "Larry" <ladoug...@comcast.net> >> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy >> jacks >> Message-ID: >> >> <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACShkFqe+ENCrqapxnm28wrigAAAEAAAAIwIHodq4ipOtPXFjAYWNLYBAAAAAA==@comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> David >> >> I have a system that is very similar to E Z jack system and it is great. I >> store it when underway and only deploy it when I am ready to lower the sail. >> >> I tried their website, but there seems to be a problem with their site. >> >> I can send you a couple of pdf?s with the design and how to set it up. I >> just replaced all the line to mine. >> >> A real easy system to maintain and use. >> >> Larry >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Godwin via CnC-List >> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 3:32 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:15:52 -0500 > From: "Stu" <s...@cncphotoalbum.com> > To: "C&C Email List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Lazy Jack System > Message-ID: <14D5FE43EFCE40CA9218E019D633A908@stusacer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://mtrack.me/tracking/raWzMz50paMkCGZmZGx1BGt1BGHzMKWjqzA2pzSaqaR9ZwH2ZGDjBGp1Way2LKu2pG0kZGNlAQNkZGp0Z1x > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20161202/67bca3bd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 01:08:33 +0000 > From: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy > jacks > Message-ID: > > <cy4pr17mb0951080682c00318dc00c15dce...@cy4pr17mb0951.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You don?t necessarily need a cheek block at the mast; an eye strap is fine - > you just attach the line and drop it; you can adjust the lines on the lower > legs. > > I have a small clam cleat at the end of the boom, where the control line for > the jacks is attached. If you make the lines long enough, you can drop them > all the way to the mast. > > Depending on the length of the boom, you want at least three or four legs, so > that the sail is kept between the lines and does not fall off/out. > > Use the thinnest line you can get away with. One would hope that you don?t > plan to hold the boom up with the jacks (a topping lift or a rigid vang (or a > Boomkicker) should do that). > > Marek > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard > via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 18:53 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Richard <bushma...@aol.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection - now lazy jacks > > Dave, thank, I would really like to see what your design looks like! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Richard, > > I?ve never had lazy-jacks on any of my boats but have just given my new > rigger a detailed set of drawings for a 3-leg lazy-jack system that allows me > to pull on one line which will pull all the lazy-jacks tight to the mast > while sailing. I really, really hate the idea of lazy-jacks and/or a topping > lift rubbing against my mainsail. Just the way I roll I guess. > > That said, these days, having the ability to drop a mainsail/ fake it and > cover it fairly quickly makes my wife very happy? > > If you?re interested, I can send you a copy of the design. > > Best, > Dave Godwin > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > Ronin?s Overdue Refit<http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > I'll third the sentiments of Marek and Kevin. I have a Stack Pack/Lazy Jack > set-up and it is really nice equipment, but if I had it to do over again I > would probably just get the lazy jacks and save the money for the pack. > > My lazy jacks turn on blocks on the spreaders and the lines then run to > turning blocks at the base of the mast and then run back to the cockpit. So > the jacks can be loosened from the cockpit and allowed to dangle near the > mast when raising the main/sailing and then pulled tight when it is time to > lower the main. They also have the option for someone to go forward and clip > them down. > > Graham Young > S/V Spellbound > 1981 C&C 32 > > > On Friday, December 2, 2016 3:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > btw. it is enough to move ?away? (to the mast) only one side of the lazy > jacks for hoisting the main. If you move the starboard side, you steer a bit > off the wind (wind from the port bow) and the sail does not touch them. > > Marek > > From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 15:10 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Kevin Driscoll > Subject: Re: Stus-List Short handed sailing; sail selection > > I concur with Marek. I have a stack pack and would personally prefer a simple > set of lazyjacks and a traditional mainsail cover. > > On the 42' boat I race on, we keep the lazy jacks "away" forward by the goose > neck. Therefore, when raising the main they do not get in the way of the > battens. Before dropping, we deploy the lazy jacks "Up" drop the main, and > deal with flaking and sail ties back at the dock. The lazy jacks are put > "away" again before we put the sail cover on. > > I follow roughly the same procedure on our boat with our stack pack. I > personally never understood people trying to raise their batten'd main with > the stack pack or lazy jacks deployed. 2 out of 3 times you are going to > catch at least one batten and potentially damage your main or at least cause > unnecessary chafe/wear. > > It is possible to set up lazy jacks with bungee and lines led to the cockpit > for those with reduced mobility or the lazy among us. I wouldn't find it > necessary unless I were hoisting and dousing the main multiple times in a > day, say as in a charter situation where you were taking people out every few > hours. > > Two cents. > > Kevin > PDX > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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