Hi Peter,
You nailed it pretty well. You are expected to
maintain to standard of when it was built. Thus,
if you add a modern convenience it should be to
the standard at that time, and maintained accordingly.
In the pressure vessel world costly repair
decisions often comes down to "code of
construction" conversations. But just try finding
the code of something built 50 years ago (before the Internet :). Yikes!
It is sometimes difficult to keep a surveyor from
making inappropriate comments. Especially if
he/she has been on a recent course.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
east side o' Vancouver Island
At 01:13 PM 02/04/2015, you wrote:
It is a bit of a âgrey areaâ though, isnât it?
Typically an insurer will look at a surveyorâs
report and make the surveyorâs recommendations
a requirement of the insurance, with a timeline to complete the required work.
Iâm not sure what US Coast Guard regs say, but
Transport Canada says that a pleasure craft,
built to a previous standard, doesnât have to
comply with the Transport Canada current
standard (but is encouraged to do so, as far as practical).
But then there are clauses that state you must
meet the standard when a vessel is ârebuiltâ
or âimportedâ.... or undergoes a âmajor
modificationâ, which is defined as:
âmajor modificationâ means a modification or
repair or a series of modifications or repairs
that substantially changes the capacity or size
of a vessel or the nature of a system on board a
vessel, that affects its watertight integrity or
its stability, or, except in the case of the
restoration of an antique wooden pleasure craft,
that substantially increases its service lifeâ
So I expect if, for example, you were adding in
a shorepower system where one never existed
before? Or perhaps you are adding a
propane-based stove/oven, BBQ, and cabin heater
with propane tanks and a propane locker?
Refrigeration system? Hot water system? Genset? A complete AC/DC re-wire?
Same as, when do you need a building /
electrical / plumbing permits for your home?
Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII
From: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>Robert Boyer via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:53 AM
To: <mailto:primeinter...@gmail.com>ed
vanderkruk ; <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Wiring Diagram Draft
I believe that ABYC only governs the practice of
boat builders and boat repair contractors. I
don't believe there is any requirement that our
old boats have to be brought up to the current
ABYC standards (which are always being
improved). A survey done on your boat may
recommend that something be changed to adhere to
the current ABYC standards but that is the judgement of the marine surveyor.
So, I think we need to think of ABYC standards
with respect to our DIY projects as "recommended
guidelines" when we are making changes--not as an absolute requirement.
For example, ABYC recommends the use of tinned
wire throughout a boat. Our old boats have
mostly un-tinned wire throughout. Even though
it's a good idea to replace the old un-tinned
wire it is not a requirement for insurance purposes or safety purposes.
Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame
On Apr 2, 2015, at 1:28 PM, ed vanderkruk via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
For ABYC compliance it must be failsafe or with
integral / external status monitoring for a failure.
All DIY solutions would also not comply to the
'general requirements' of the GI ABYC section.
Now whether this is highlighted during survey
and any liabilities but noncompliance ... I leave to others.
Ed
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