Ron,
I bought mirage from Mass Maritime. It was a three year lease purchase. I 
closed on the boat about a year ago. I have all the USCG documentation 
certificates back to around 1990. I think the paperwork should all be in order. 
I'm going to buy beer for you guys with the $390 I saved!

Harry

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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 15:19, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Harry:
>  
> I agree with these guys on doing it yourself UNLESS…………………..the previous 
> owner did not renew the documentation and the previous to previous owner 
> still had an undischarged lien on the boat.
>  
> I bought Impromptu in Sept. of 1997………..previous owner told me it was 
> documented………..he didn’t tell me that he had not re-documented in his name……….
>  
> So when I went to try to re-document the boat in my name with a new boat 
> name…………..the Documentation office told me that it had a mortgage still on it 
> and I would have to get that discharged first…………I actually had a “copy” of 
> the mortgage discharge papers from a bank that no longer existed or was 
> bought up by one of the larger banks in the Boston area…………..
> So a 14 year stalemate ensued………..with several exchanges of information but 
> they wanted “original documents of the discharge” and “original bills of 
> sale”………….
>  
> I got the name of a “documentation expert” in our area from a friend and 
> after almost 2 years, she has now completed the documentation of my boat with 
> new owner and new name an hailing port and I have the new Documentation 
> paperwork from the USCG. 
> She was able to reconstruct the original sale by the previous owners and 
> actually found the bank that had absorbed the previous lien and was able to 
> produce a signed notice of satisfaction that the USCG approved……….
>  
> As it turned out, she was the original documentation service that did the 
> paperwork for the twice previous owner in the first place in 1983.
>  
> So the moral; of the story is that if it’s simple, do it yourself………….if a 
> mortgage from a previous owner is involved………….get help.  The bill for doing 
> mine was $475………….plus the USCG charge????  Took over 2 years to get done, 
> most of that time waiting for the USCG to get back to us for information………
>  
> Good luck,
>  
> Ron Casciato
> Impromptu
> C&C 38MKIIC   ‘77
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:08 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation
>  
> Rick,
> I guess it depends on the bank.  I had to fight with my bank just to add 
> coastwise trade endorsement.  Not changing name or lien holder or anything 
> else.
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014 12:35 PM, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Wrong, Josh. The bank will require the lien be recorded. You can do the 
> paperwork yourself and mail in a copy of the mortgage paperwork. There is a 
> fee, but it is a lot less than $390.
>  
> And, BTW, Harry, is the $390 inclusive of the various USCG fees or in 
> addition to them?
>  
> Rick Brass
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:45 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Documentation
>  
> Not unless you have a bank involved...then the bank requires you to pay the 
> $390.
> 
>  
> 
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