You MUST get your own survey - not rely on one done for the owner. A friend of mine relied on a survey done by a broker/owner of a Choy Lee. Bad mistake. The surveyor "missed" some really big and expensive items. Definite conflict of interest. You don't know what instructions the owner gave to the surveyor - and I suspect that you as a buyer would have no recourse against a surveyor who was not contracted directly by you
-- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Oct 28, 2013, at 14:45, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > > > I now have an accepted offer on > http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4 > > > I think I got them as low as they would go. They started at $32000 Cdn - in > the end we agreed to $22500. I have to pay for the winter storage and the > broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold. The seller is > adamant that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new > survey results. > > I think it's a good deal. I could get a similar boat for a little less in > Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the > savings. I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather > than trying to buy something 1200km away. > > This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last > 2 years. Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some > issues that will need to be addressed. Simple stuff like oiling the teak and > cleaning. Re-covering cushions. A little bit of repair work on some wood. > Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get > a welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi > will need to be replaced. > Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). > > Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat > that could do everything for me but not spend any money. We didn't get out > for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I > could get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super > bargain. I think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the > family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. > > Recent survey is attached. My question - would you re-survey the boat? The > survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? > Boat has not been in the water since the survey. > > I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the > deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - > sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas > that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I think). > Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations. Engine had a bit of > surface rust. > Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. > > I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the > storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I > should do a new survey. > > BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point. I've learned a lot from > watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email > threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. > Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - > too much good info to pass it up. > > Mark > > > ----------------- > CONDITIONAL SURVEY > VESSEL: “SEA FEVER” > March 2012 > At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 > Fibreglass Sloop “Sea Fever”. > The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, > the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from > the vessel and retained by the Owner. > > Underwater Hull – Generally in good condition with the following defects: > Starboard Side > The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not > into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair > but should be reworked. > The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and > the filling has worked loose. > Port Side > The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not > into the hull and is not considered significant. > The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and > the filling has worked loose. > There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through > and the lead keel is exposed. > There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom. > Antifouling > Antifouling should be re-coated. > Rudder > Good condition but some fibreglass cracking around the pintle bearing. > > 2 > Propellor & Shaft > Good condition overall. > > Topsides > The topsides are in good condition. No evidence of cracks or stress. No dock > damage, but should be polished. > Deck Area > The deck is in good condition with no gel coat cracking. Stanchions are in > good condition. > The forward hatch glass cover is water stained. > There are 2 Lewmar 30 winches and 2 Lewmar 43 winches, all in good working > condition. > Interior > The interior is in good condition but shows evidence of water leaks, the > brightwork requires refinishing, the settee cushions are in good condition. > > The bilges are clean with no obvious oil leaks. There is a 2-1/2lb dry > chemical extinguisher adjacent to the engine box, which appears to be in good > condition, but has no expiry date. It is fully charged at this time. There is > a second 2-1/2lb chemical extinguisher adjacent to the galley stove. This is > not mounted on a bulkhead and in places the paint on the body of this unit is > peeling. It shows fully charged but I would recommend replacement. > The galley stove is a 2 burner propane unit with an oven, it appears to be in > reasonable condition. The propane cylinder is stored in a locker in the stern > of the vessel. > The head is located at the forward end on the starboard side, this is in a > clean and good working condition. > The batteries have an approved type shut off switch. They were in storage and > not on board at the time of inspection. > 3 > Engine > The engine compartment has antifreeze under the engine and there is leak from > the circulating pump. The engine is a 2 cylinder Volvo Penta with a reduction > gear. Oil levels were checked and were satisfactory. > The through hulls were hammer tested and appear satisfactory. > Electrical > The electrical wiring is in good condition. The system has a battery shut off > switch and a breaker panel. Both are clean and dry and in good condition. > Equipment > All of the navigation equipment and safety equipment have been removed for > the winter. > There is a 6" Galaxy compass in the cockpit, which is in good condition with > no air bubbles. A Plough anchor with sufficient rode is located in the fore > peak - good condition. > Rigging > The standing rigging is all stainless steel and in good condition. The > running rigging is in reasonable condition. > > Recommendations > 1. Replace the galley fire extinguisher > 2. Have the propane system inspected by a licensed service person > 3. Check rockets and flares for expiry dates > 4. Repair cracks around rudder pintle > 5. Repair cracks around keel to hull joint > > 4 > > Conclusion > The overall condition is good and this boat is suitable for the intended > service. > Some cleaning is required inside the boat. > I would anticipate the present day value to be in the range of $39,000 > Alan H. Altass > (S.N.A.M.E. - C.I.M.E.) > > > -- > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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