Sander I have heard of that method. For a contoured section it may be a bertter idea. However when you remove all of the wet core back to the area where it is dry the top layer is bonded extremely tenaciously to the core - making it very difficult to seperate as one piece. My best guess would be that it only comes off in one piece from severly degraded core material and that the repair should likely have been to a larger area. If you are painting the deck it is less a concern than when you are not as well. The best way to do this would be vacuum bagged from below - but with cabin liners this is almost impossible and even without a cabin liner it is a whole lot more work. To put recoring a flat area of deck into perspective I will leave you with this thought. On my J27 I took the bottom down to gelcoat and then applied barrier coat and antifouling the year we bought it. This consumed 53 hours of labour. That same year I recored four large areas surrounding the middle and aft stanchions. Total time for this job was only 32 hours Mike
________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sander vd Moolen Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 25 information request Hi Mike, Thanks for the info about recoring, the pictures are very helpful. A question, I have heard people say that when they do this type of repair, they carefully remove the top layer from the core, then replace the core like you do, and finally "glue" the top layer back in place. What are your thoughts about this approach? Regards, Sander Verzonden vanaf Samsung Mobile -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> Datum: 22-04-2013 14:49 (GMT+01:00) Aan: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Onderwerp: Re: Stus-List C&C 25 information request Sander The 25 is a great boat. One of the best C&C designs of all time in my opinion. Look for an identification plate on inside of cockpit immediately below tiller. Should have the serial number on it which has the hull number built in. The people on this list can tell you how to interpret year and hull number from serial number. If you have a few small spots of deck that need to be recored it is not all that difficult. The link below shows how I recored around stanchions on one of my boats and the next link around chainplates. http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/recore/recore.htm http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/Phase2/chainplate.htm The 25 had a balsa core deck but solid glass hull. Most have outboard motors although I have seen one which was repowered with an OMC Saildrive and another with the Vire engine. I would say that an outboard is the simplest to maintain and the engine which makes the boat the best sailing. I think it is also pretty safe to say that the "hobbyhorsing" that has been attributed to the 25 is a factor of a short waterline which is a common attribute in most 25 foot boats. While this boat may not be as seaworthy as say a Contessa 26 it is a whole lot more performance oriented and seems a very seaworthy and stable boat. You also get a very nice interior. I have always thought the 25 the smallest C&C that has a "yachty" feel inside Great boats. You will never regret it Mike http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of san...@vpilot.net Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 25 information request Hi Mark, Rick, Thank you for the information! Very useful! When you say that C&C had a factory in Germany, I think it's closer to the truth to assume that the 25 has been built there and the seller has the wrong year, but we'll see. Are all C&C 25's numbered and if so, where could I find this number? Then it would be a lot easier to track its history. Cheers, Sander ----- Original Message ----- Sander, For a brief period in the late 1970's, C&C had a factory in Germany. The C&C 25 is one of the models that was built there. Occasionally, I see one for sale in Germany. But your boat (1974) was built before the German factory opened. I've had my '73 25 for six years, and I'm very happy with it. I'll send you the best reviews I have come across, off-list. It has a reputation as a well-built, good sailing boat. I doubt anyone would sail one across the Atlantic, but if someone did, I'd love to hear the story! The inboard in that boat is probably a Vire. As these engines were built in Finland and Denmark, you may have better access to parts and service in Holland than we do over here. The space around the inboard is very tight. There is no bridge deck. Several of the C&C 25's I've seen with an inboard have had an access port installed in the cockpit floor. I am aware of one C&C 25 that had the Vire replaced with a small Beta Marine diesel. Most people will recommend scrapping the inboard gas engine and mounting an outboard. The transom bracket is a real pain in the butt. Buy a good bracket, one that can mount an outboard with enough power to push the boat (8 hp or more) and with a 25 inch extra long shaft to keep the prop in the water. Look for wet core in the deck, especially around the chainplates and in the cockpit floor. Check to make sure that the bulkhead is solid where the chainplates are foundated. In the bilge, look at the washers under the nuts on the keel bolts. The washers should be replaced if they are badly corroded. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Sander van der Moolen <san...@vpilot.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:07:42 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Stus-List C&C 25 information request Hello readers, Whilst browsing our local (Dutch) boat market websites, I came across a C&C 25. I really like how it looks, and I have a bit of a weak spot for IOR class boats J Thing is, I couldn't find much information about this boat, nobody I know in Holland has ever heard of C&C Yachts. So far, I've learned it's Canadian build (1974). Makes me wonder how it got to this side of the pond, are they such seaworthy boats? But what I really would like to know, what are its strong and weak points? What should I be looking for when I go out to look at this boat? The seller has already informed me that the balsa core at the stanchion bases is bad and needs to be repaired. The seller has dismounted all the hardware, including engine and saildrive. It has an inboard gasoline engine, but frankly I'm scared of gasoline inboards so if I buy this boat, I'll try to exclude the engine (or maybe trade it for an outboard). Thank you for any advice! Regards, Sander The Netherlands.
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