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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Graham Collins)
2. Re: C&C 24 Keel Lift Point (Marek Fluder)
3. Break in (Ken Rodmell)
4. Re: bilge pump switch (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com)
5. Re: Photo Album Update (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com)
6. Re: C&C 24 Keel Lift Point (Gary Nylander)
7. Re: Photo Album Update (Gary Nylander)
8. Re: Photo Album Update (John and Maryann Read)
9. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Jake Brodersen)
10. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Joel Aronson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:04:17 -0300
From: Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids...
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Hi Chuck
Can you send me the pic? I'd be interested in a look. I would agree
that the mast step area is not C&C's best work, thankfully it is an
otherwise awesome boat.
cnclistforw...@hotmail.com
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2013-04-02 2:59 PM, Chuck Saur wrote:
Thanks, Jake and Joel...I have tried to attach a jpeg view of the
head-ache we apparently all share. The message was kicked back so I
guess I am out of compliance by sending a pic...
I have read several list-ers reference Rob Ball, and a connection to
this list somewhere. Has he been asked his opinion about any creative
solution to this? Or was this not a design issue, but an 'on the
manufacturing floor' issue? If you say the limber holes solution was
doable...I may give that a try. Unfortunately for my garage storage
capacity, a Harbor Freight is way too close to me here.
Looking at the pic I tried to send, do you guys have the same
situation/position of the egg-crate voids relative to the
bulkhead/mast; where they are just peeking out from under the
bulkhead, barely accessible? Or have you found them different
locations for boats of different years/build locations?
Thanks...and Jake, we have a cabin on St Martins Point, and our family
has enjoyed the Straits of Mackinac for years. St Ignace, (and the new
Mackinac Grille deck overlooking the marina) says hello! Do you get
back often?
Chuck
C$C 35-3
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:29:35 -0500
From: Marek Fluder <mar...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 24 Keel Lift Point
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I had a look at my bilge on Saturday:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0djgghfk4odl20q/IMG_9375.JPG
The 3 aft bolts have nuts of 1&1/16" and the forward one is 3/4".
The point about cutting a hole in a coach roof is a valid one as all 4
bolts are under it.
Marek
C&C 24 "Emilie"
Hamilton, Ontario
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Robert Abbott
<robertabb...@eastlink.ca>wrote:
Ed:
I had a Kirby 25 that had a single point lift arrangement similar to what
Colin described. The PO had a metal bar specifically constructed that
spanned two keels bolts.....you would remove the 2 nuts, place the steel
bar down over the bolts, replace the nuts. The steel bar had "D shaped"
metal holders welded to each end......a permanent lift strap was attached
to the D shaped holders.
A 6" hole was cut in the coach roof where the main lift entered to
connect
to the 'lift strap, metal bar'. The hole had an removable opening port.
Simple arrangement once it was constructed but knowing where the
'balancing point' is is the challenge. If you can find another C&C 24
with
a similar arrangement, that would be very helpful. But keep in mind,
every
boat has different gear on board which might affect the 'balancing
point'.
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2013/03/30 3:40 PM, Ed Dooley wrote:
Of course then there's the new hole in the cabin top. :-)
I'll be at my 24 next weekend (apparently our new small home addition
is the priority is weekend), and I'll try to remember taking a photo of
the keel bolts.
Ed
On Mar 29, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Colin Kilgour <charliekilo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
My J24 (and all others) lift from a single point, but there's a bar
that spans 2 keel bolts and we put a shackle around that bar.
Presumably you could rig a similar arrangement on a C&C 24.
It's a lot simpler than using slings...
Cheers
Colin
On 3/26/13, ok <orrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wondering if anyone has modified their C&C 24 to have a single lifting
point
from the the keel bolts. The Ranger 23 next to me has had this
modification
done. Would work much better with my club lift and trailer than
straps.
Also, anyone have a pic of their C&C 24 bilge? Just want to see if my
bolts
are as they should be and original. For close to the same weight
keel,
my
bolts seem oversized compared to the Ranger 23 next to me. I'm
thinking if
they are original they will be strong enough for a single lift point?
Thanks!
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:31:13 -0400
From: Ken Rodmell <moo...@sympatico.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Break in
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Stu
I?m so sorry to hear that you lost many irreplaceable things.
The one thing that can never be stolen from you is the sincere
appreciation
of your efforts from all of us who get so much knowledge and pleasure from
the List.
Wishing you a wonderful, rewarding future.
Ken Rodmell
Lotus
C&C 35 Mk II
Toronto
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:56:02 -0400
From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 24 Keel Lift Point
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We have launched a j-80 and j-24 with single point straps. They hook under
a rod which spans two of the keel bolts. A strap with a loop sewed in each
end is looped under the rod and cinched on itself and the other end is
used for the hoist hook. It makes it more stable if you have small lines
to three places on the boat to keep it from moving around. On the 80, we
use the mast and each winch. Fortunately on these boats, the companionway
hatch opens up far enough that we don't need any extra holes.
I guess the biggest part for you is to find the balance point.
Gary
St. Michaels MD
----- Original Message -----
From: Marek Fluder
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 24 Keel Lift Point
I had a look at my bilge on Saturday:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0djgghfk4odl20q/IMG_9375.JPG
The 3 aft bolts have nuts of 1&1/16" and the forward one is 3/4".
The point about cutting a hole in a coach roof is a valid one as all 4
bolts are under it.
Marek
C&C 24 "Emilie"
Hamilton, Ontario
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
wrote:
Ed:
I had a Kirby 25 that had a single point lift arrangement similar to
what Colin described. The PO had a metal bar specifically constructed
that spanned two keels bolts.....you would remove the 2 nuts, place the
steel bar down over the bolts, replace the nuts. The steel bar had "D
shaped" metal holders welded to each end......a permanent lift strap was
attached to the D shaped holders.
A 6" hole was cut in the coach roof where the main lift entered to
connect to the 'lift strap, metal bar'. The hole had an removable opening
port. Simple arrangement once it was constructed but knowing where the
'balancing point' is is the challenge. If you can find another C&C 24
with a similar arrangement, that would be very helpful. But keep in mind,
every boat has different gear on board which might affect the 'balancing
point'.
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2013/03/30 3:40 PM, Ed Dooley wrote:
Of course then there's the new hole in the cabin top. :-)
I'll be at my 24 next weekend (apparently our new small home addition
is the priority is weekend), and I'll try to remember taking a photo
of the keel bolts.
Ed
On Mar 29, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Colin Kilgour <charliekilo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
My J24 (and all others) lift from a single point, but there's a bar
that spans 2 keel bolts and we put a shackle around that bar.
Presumably you could rig a similar arrangement on a C&C 24.
It's a lot simpler than using slings...
Cheers
Colin
On 3/26/13, ok <orrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wondering if anyone has modified their C&C 24 to have a single
lifting point
from the the keel bolts. The Ranger 23 next to me has had this
modification
done. Would work much better with my club lift and trailer than
straps.
Also, anyone have a pic of their C&C 24 bilge? Just want to see
if my bolts
are as they should be and original. For close to the same weight
keel, my
bolts seem oversized compared to the Ranger 23 next to me. I'm
thinking if
they are original they will be strong enough for a single lift
point?
Thanks!
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:57:23 -0400
From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Photo Album Update
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Absolutely.
Gary
410-310-0929
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From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Photo Album Update
+1Stu, let us know what you need and I'll bet someone on the list has got
it and will donate it.
sam :-) 403-617-6280
From: Richard N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Photo Album Update
Stu, if there's anything you need to replace any C&C paraphernalia I
don't have a lot, but will gladly donate whatever I have...
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Photo Album Update
Sorry to hear, that really sucks.
Thank you for continuing to provide a great resource for us and I hope
everything works out.
Steve
C&C 32
Toronto
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Joseph Bognar <jbog...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
OMG Stu and Gladys. That is terrible, If there is anything that I can
do to help [please let me know. I have the C&C Logo for embroidered
clothing still that I can give to you again.
Joe
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu
Sent: April-02-13 11:59 AM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Photo Album Update
Updating the Photo Album is going to be pretty slow for a while due to
an unfortunate incident.
Gladys and I were away for a couple of nights and during that time, our
house was broken into. We are still trying to determine what is missing
but so far we have estimated close to $10,000 worth. My desktop computer,
flat screen monitor, and accessories are gone ? and almost all the
software related to the Photo Album. All of the software and patterns for
the decals, etc. is gone forever ? at least they left the vinyl cutting
machine.
Fortunately the culprits did not value Gladys? $8,000 worth of
computerized embroidery machines and just left them alone. Mind you they
broke one hoop for doing the hats and it is close to $100.
They found every drop of alcohol in the house including the ?bucket of
booze? I won at Christmas time. I had a collection of 15 limited edition
HO electric steam engines and every one is gone and will never be replaced
or seen again.
We had security in place and it was by-passed. They took the bulbs out
the motion detection system, broke the door window and crawled in to
remove a security bar preventing the door from opening.
Sorry for the long blog ? short part is we will be back up and running
once the insurance companies decided on what value they are putting on the
items.
FWIW ? don?t assume your house, car or boat is secure. Take every
precaution you can and even then it will not be enough.
Stu ?n? Gladys
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:16:27 -0400
From: "John and Maryann Read" <johnpr...@comcast.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Photo Album Update
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Stu and Gladys
Our hearts and prayers go to you both at this most distressing time. The
good news is you are both safe and unharmed. The bad news is much of your
work efforts dedication and stuff are lost or compromised. The good news
is you have lots and lots of friends on this site to help you rebuild J
At the risk of repeating what you may already know, I offer a few
thoughts:
1) Notify everyone you can about the break in. Police of course, but
also all your financial institutions ? especially credit cards. Identity
theft is a real threat in this instance, so suggest you notify all credit
bureaus so someone else can not open an account in your name.
2) Did you have any back up routine in play for your files? I
learned a long time ago the value of daily backups for my old business and
certainly recommend that for everyone on this list. If so that should be
a big help in recovering data files.
3) Do you need help obtaining replacement computer hardware and
software? Just holler!!!!
We all could very easily be in your shoes ? but you have all of us to help
rebuild
Chin up, smile on and carry forward
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:59 AM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Photo Album Update
Updating the Photo Album is going to be pretty slow for a while due to an
unfortunate incident.
Gladys and I were away for a couple of nights and during that time, our
house was broken into. We are still trying to determine what is missing
but so far we have estimated close to $10,000 worth. My desktop computer,
flat screen monitor, and accessories are gone ? and almost all the
software related to the Photo Album. All of the software and patterns for
the decals, etc. is gone forever ? at least they left the vinyl cutting
machine.
Fortunately the culprits did not value Gladys? $8,000 worth of
computerized embroidery machines and just left them alone. Mind you they
broke one hoop for doing the hats and it is close to $100.
They found every drop of alcohol in the house including the ?bucket of
booze? I won at Christmas time. I had a collection of 15 limited edition
HO electric steam engines and every one is gone and will never be replaced
or seen again.
We had security in place and it was by-passed. They took the bulbs out
the motion detection system, broke the door window and crawled in to
remove a security bar preventing the door from opening.
Sorry for the long blog ? short part is we will be back up and running
once the insurance companies decided on what value they are putting on the
items.
FWIW ? don?t assume your house, car or boat is secure. Take every
precaution you can and even then it will not be enough.
Stu ?n? Gladys
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:30:04 -0400
From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids...
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Joel,
I started drilling through the stringer, forward of the mast. I'm trying
to
get to the small boxed in area in front of the head door. So far, the
stringer seems to be solid. I'm in about an inch so far. My blasted 90
degree drill attachment broke. It was cheap and from a local national
tool
store known for selling cheap Chinese tools. I now need to procure a new
attachment or find a shorter drill. I'll figure it out. My air drill is
shorter, but is low on torque. I bet I have a corded drill that will fit
in
there.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids...
It is hollow.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:33:00 -0400
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids...
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I broke one of them too! I used a flexible extension. I didn't go
forward
of the mast, but where I drilled was only about 1/2 thick. Stubby bits
from HF saved the day.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net>
wrote:
Joel,****
** **
I started drilling through the stringer, forward of the mast. I?m trying
to get to the small boxed in area in front of the head door. So far, the
stringer seems to be solid. I?m in about an inch so far. My blasted 90
degree drill attachment broke. It was cheap and from a local national
tool
store known for selling cheap Chinese tools? I now need to procure a
new
attachment or find a shorter drill. I?ll figure it out. My air drill is
shorter, but is low on torque. I bet I have a corded drill that will fit
in there.****
** **
Jake****
** **
*Jake Brodersen*
*C&C 35 Mk-III*
*Midnight Mistress*
*Hampton VA*
** **
** **
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Joel
Aronson
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:16 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids...****
** **
It is hollow.****
** **
Joel****
35/3****
Annapolis****
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