I would go hydraulic if you haven't already bought the equipment. Do check and 
make sure the max current the core can supply is enough for whatever drive you 
pick. This is another area not to go right to the limit on. Take the "max 
pounds" thing though as a guess. A *lot* depends on how hard the boat is to 
steer. A supertanker can probably be steered with two fingers and my boat takes 
both hands and all your strength surfing down a wave.  If the boat is hard for 
YOU to steer, it is hard for Otto as well. I actually did have a case where a 
SeaRay 65 (or 55 maybe??) owner got a big Robertson autopilot intended for 
ships and tugboats. A tanker might never react to a little twitch, but the 
SeaRay on plane was all over the place at speed. The damping in the autopilot 
was all wrong for a high speed powerboat.
Joe Della Barba  Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of LKL 
Architects
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilots

All these posts are really good timing for me and Finesse,  85 Landfall 39 
(19,500 displacement).  Until now...was pretty much sold on Raymarine P70, X-10 
Type 1 mechanical linear drive which is rated up to 24,000 lbs.  Plan to cruise 
Florida and onto Eastern Caribbean.

Joe.... based on your comments....would appreciated your thoughts if this is 
cutting it too close when loaded and with my destination should I abandon the 
mechanical drive for the hydraulic....appreciate your thoughts and all 
others....and thank you in advance.

Lloyd Lippe
Rockport, Texas
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From: Della Barba, Joe<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilots

I have an AH 400 unit from about 1988, so it has been working for 25 years now. 
Kind of like George Washington's ax, the drive and the computer have all been 
repaired more than once.  This is no thanks to Autohelm/Raytheon/RayMarine, who 
told me to NEVER send it in again for repairs again after fixing it around 1994 
or so. These are light duty autopilots that cannot handle heavy air going 
downwind. Going to windward they do pretty well.
I used to be in the business of selling and installing autopilots in the 
mid-90s and what we learned then was you want the BIGGEST drive you can fit and 
afford, not the smallest drive you think might work. We used Octopus brand 
(division of Teleflex) hydraulic drives for all our installs. They worked fine 
with Raytheon and other autopilot brands. We never did like the electric linear 
drives and tried to stay away from them. You really need to know what you are 
doing or hire a pro to install the drive. The forces it can produce are enough 
to do real damage to a boat if you set it up wrong. BTW, for long distance 
sailing I read about adapting a tiller pilot to the bottom half of a windvane 
steering system. This used almost no power and the tiller pilots are cheap 
enough to carry spares.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I
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