There is a shallow draft 30-1. We had approx 6 of the 30-1 in our marina and two were shallow draft. Since all were hauled each winter to avoid the solid water it was easy to compare. The SD is just a little longer keel but still looks much like the C&C rock hopper designs of the era
The SD did not suffer much performance degradation ofver the standard keel and gets 6 sec/mile credit while racing. SD is very nicely executed on this boat Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase Mark, I don't know of a shallow keel version of a 30-1, I think some folks were thinking of a 30-II - different boat. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase > > Graham, > Now I understand the clearance issue - the ability to lift the boat up on > top of the cradle. I guess that could be a challenge. Anyone know the > height of the boat above waterline? I guess it really depends on the > length of the lifting straps, boat width, and height of the boat - plus > the design of the cradle -- might not know for sure until the first time > we try a haul. > I didn't think about the fact that I would need a cradle rather than jack > stands - I'll have to add that to the budget (guessing $2000-2500). Might > be able to find used. > > Thanks to everyone for all the comments. If I buy the boat I'm sure I > will have a ton more questions. > > Yes, I'm aware the mast on the 30 can't be hand stepped. I watched a > different 30 footer pulling the mast back in the fall - looks like a > pretty tricky job even with a crane. > I know the weight may be pushing the crane capacity - they don't have a > load cell that I know of, but I figure it's technically below the weight, > I'll make sure I'm minimizing load before it's hauled. I'm pretty sure > the current boat I'm looking at is a fin keel, not shoal. > Not planning any racing, but who knows as kids get older. I'll likely > leave the main traveler right where it is for a while. > Looked at a lot of boat options. Also like the C&C 29's. Saw one 33 for > sale, good price, but I thought that would be getting too big for me to > solo and maintain. Likely not that much different, but I have to admit > part of me is scared of the jump, the 24 is so easy to handle and > maintain, I'm worried I'm biting off a lot more effort rather than more > sailing! > > Mark > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > On 19/03/2013 7:44 AM, Graham Collins wrote: >> Hi Mark >> Belinda would know better than I, so that sounds good. >> >> The extra expense of the big crane is no biggie, but the scheduling >> flexibility is indeed a good reason to use club crane. >> >> Not sure how to figure out if there is enough clearance for lifting the >> 30 - maybe ask Travis what boat is the biggest and measure the vertical >> clearance on it. >> >> And if you are sailing it back don't forget to factor in buying (having >> made) a cradle. If you haul with the big crane you can use jackstands, >> but with the club crane you obviously need a cradle. Mine was made by >> Yachtsmiths over in Dartmouth, it is pretty solid! :-) >> >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >> On 2013-03-19 1:18 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: >>> Graham, >>> I asked Belinda what the max capacity was for the club crane when I >>> started thinking about bigger boats - she told me the max lift is >>> 9000lbs - so the 30 should be fine. I'm trying to stay within the club >>> capacity a)to save the extra expense of the big crane haul and b)makes >>> timing for launch and haul easier rather than being scheduled by the big >>> crane availability. >>> As for height clearance - I'm not sure what I'd be looking at. I know I >>> had a problem with my Mirage 24 on the club crane - the mast was too >>> short and the back stay tangled with the hoist -- I had to remove the >>> stay the one time I lifted the boat with the mast in place. >>> Not sure how the C&C 30 would fair in that case, but also not sure if >>> I'd leave the mast up for winter - dropping the mast on the 24 was a 2 >>> person job by hand, I'm guessing the mast on the 30 is a whole lot >>> heavier!!! -- I'll get into those questions with this list later if I >>> have the boat. >>> >>> As for some of the other suggestions. The boat I currently most >>> interested in has a new diesel in 2000 (Yanmar 18Hp) and a new poly fuel >>> tank in 2010. The boat is in salt water (Long Island) - possibly with >>> original rigging. >>> The boat is a 1979 - no teak/holly floor, but the mast should already be >>> a bit higher up and not the "roller/reefing" style. >>> The current mainsheet traveler position looks difficult (easy to tangle >>> crew, can't use cockpit table under sail and looks hard to sheet in and >>> out from the helm) -- that said is it safe to move the traveler to >>> forward of the dodger? - I'd think that would be a huge change of forces >>> to have it mid-boom rather than end of boom. >>> I'll put the thru-hulls on the list of upgrades if I get the boat, as >>> well as making sure the waste tank is solid. >>> >>> Thanks for all the info. The price on the boat is good (under $16000 >>> US) - but I'll need to get it home from NY - so I'm trying to decide >>> between a professional captain delivery, shipping it or sailing it back >>> myself with a couple buddies. >>> If all looks good when my SailNet contact checks it out next week then >>> I'll be looking into a proper survey - make sure the rigging and engine >>> are solid for trip back to NS. >>> >>> BTW - any thoughts on importing a boat from the US to Canada? I'm >>> assuming I'll just be paying HST on the purchase price (I bought a >>> little bowrider power boat in Boston a few years back - pretty simple >>> crossing to border, just paid HST --- but not sure how it works if I'm >>> sailing home) >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> --------------------- >>> Dr. Mark Bodnar >>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) >>> Bedford Chiropractic >>> www.bedfordchiro.ca >>> --------------------- >>> >>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. >>> - George Santayana >>> >>> On 18/03/2013 9:03 PM, Graham Collins wrote: >>>> Hello Mark >>>> You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on the >>>> club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the C&C 30 is around >>>> 8000 lbs. Also check the height clearance. I previously had an Aloha >>>> 27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30 footers that get hauled >>>> with that crane. That said, the annual big crane launch and haul isn't >>>> much of a problem. And I have not examined the numbers, it may be >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> I've sailed on Jeff's C&C 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in what >>>> I'd guess was > 25 knots. He keeps it at AYC. There are lots of others >>>> in the neighborhood. >>>> >>>> Hope the search goes well. >>>> >>>> Graham Collins >>>> Secret Plans >>>> C&C 35-III #11 >>>> BBYC, Halifax >>>> >>>> On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about >>>>> moving up to a bigger boat. >>>>> Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year, >>>>> loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much >>>>> time aboard with my 4 kids. >>>>> >>>>> After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local >>>>> boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a C&C 30. Seems to be the >>>>> right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club >>>>> crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the >>>>> water. >>>>> >>>>> I've read most everything on the C&C site, including a bunch of the >>>>> mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day - >>>>> getting an idea of the size and space. >>>>> >>>>> I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely >>>>> need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical >>>>> issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can >>>>> be problematic with any older boats. >>>>> >>>>> Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone >>>>> I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for >>>>> me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel >>>>> in 2000, well fitted out) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for the advice, >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. >>>>> - George Santayana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
