Mark, I don't know of a shallow keel version of a 30-1, I think some folks
were thinking of a 30-II - different boat.
Gary
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From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase
Graham,
Now I understand the clearance issue - the ability to lift the boat up on
top of the cradle. I guess that could be a challenge. Anyone know the
height of the boat above waterline? I guess it really depends on the
length of the lifting straps, boat width, and height of the boat - plus
the design of the cradle -- might not know for sure until the first time
we try a haul.
I didn't think about the fact that I would need a cradle rather than jack
stands - I'll have to add that to the budget (guessing $2000-2500). Might
be able to find used.
Thanks to everyone for all the comments. If I buy the boat I'm sure I
will have a ton more questions.
Yes, I'm aware the mast on the 30 can't be hand stepped. I watched a
different 30 footer pulling the mast back in the fall - looks like a
pretty tricky job even with a crane.
I know the weight may be pushing the crane capacity - they don't have a
load cell that I know of, but I figure it's technically below the weight,
I'll make sure I'm minimizing load before it's hauled. I'm pretty sure
the current boat I'm looking at is a fin keel, not shoal.
Not planning any racing, but who knows as kids get older. I'll likely
leave the main traveler right where it is for a while.
Looked at a lot of boat options. Also like the C&C 29's. Saw one 33 for
sale, good price, but I thought that would be getting too big for me to
solo and maintain. Likely not that much different, but I have to admit
part of me is scared of the jump, the 24 is so easy to handle and
maintain, I'm worried I'm biting off a lot more effort rather than more
sailing!
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 19/03/2013 7:44 AM, Graham Collins wrote:
Hi Mark
Belinda would know better than I, so that sounds good.
The extra expense of the big crane is no biggie, but the scheduling
flexibility is indeed a good reason to use club crane.
Not sure how to figure out if there is enough clearance for lifting the
30 - maybe ask Travis what boat is the biggest and measure the vertical
clearance on it.
And if you are sailing it back don't forget to factor in buying (having
made) a cradle. If you haul with the big crane you can use jackstands,
but with the club crane you obviously need a cradle. Mine was made by
Yachtsmiths over in Dartmouth, it is pretty solid! :-)
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2013-03-19 1:18 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
Graham,
I asked Belinda what the max capacity was for the club crane when I
started thinking about bigger boats - she told me the max lift is
9000lbs - so the 30 should be fine. I'm trying to stay within the club
capacity a)to save the extra expense of the big crane haul and b)makes
timing for launch and haul easier rather than being scheduled by the big
crane availability.
As for height clearance - I'm not sure what I'd be looking at. I know I
had a problem with my Mirage 24 on the club crane - the mast was too
short and the back stay tangled with the hoist -- I had to remove the
stay the one time I lifted the boat with the mast in place.
Not sure how the C&C 30 would fair in that case, but also not sure if
I'd leave the mast up for winter - dropping the mast on the 24 was a 2
person job by hand, I'm guessing the mast on the 30 is a whole lot
heavier!!! -- I'll get into those questions with this list later if I
have the boat.
As for some of the other suggestions. The boat I currently most
interested in has a new diesel in 2000 (Yanmar 18Hp) and a new poly fuel
tank in 2010. The boat is in salt water (Long Island) - possibly with
original rigging.
The boat is a 1979 - no teak/holly floor, but the mast should already be
a bit higher up and not the "roller/reefing" style.
The current mainsheet traveler position looks difficult (easy to tangle
crew, can't use cockpit table under sail and looks hard to sheet in and
out from the helm) -- that said is it safe to move the traveler to
forward of the dodger? - I'd think that would be a huge change of forces
to have it mid-boom rather than end of boom.
I'll put the thru-hulls on the list of upgrades if I get the boat, as
well as making sure the waste tank is solid.
Thanks for all the info. The price on the boat is good (under $16000
US) - but I'll need to get it home from NY - so I'm trying to decide
between a professional captain delivery, shipping it or sailing it back
myself with a couple buddies.
If all looks good when my SailNet contact checks it out next week then
I'll be looking into a proper survey - make sure the rigging and engine
are solid for trip back to NS.
BTW - any thoughts on importing a boat from the US to Canada? I'm
assuming I'll just be paying HST on the purchase price (I bought a
little bowrider power boat in Boston a few years back - pretty simple
crossing to border, just paid HST --- but not sure how it works if I'm
sailing home)
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 18/03/2013 9:03 PM, Graham Collins wrote:
Hello Mark
You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on the
club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the C&C 30 is around
8000 lbs. Also check the height clearance. I previously had an Aloha
27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30 footers that get hauled
with that crane. That said, the annual big crane launch and haul isn't
much of a problem. And I have not examined the numbers, it may be
possible.
I've sailed on Jeff's C&C 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in what
I'd guess was > 25 knots. He keeps it at AYC. There are lots of others
in the neighborhood.
Hope the search goes well.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
BBYC, Halifax
On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about
moving up to a bigger boat.
Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last year,
loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend much
time aboard with my 4 kids.
After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local
boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a C&C 30. Seems to be the
right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our club
crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the
water.
I've read most everything on the C&C site, including a bunch of the
mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day -
getting an idea of the size and space.
I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will likely
need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical
issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that can
be problematic with any older boats.
Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone
I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat for
me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new diesel
in 2000, well fitted out)
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Mark
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
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