Our Friday night series is mostly non-spinnaker, but we do allow them on certain nights if the boat declares it before the race. We use all spinnaker ratings for all of the boats all the time, and then impose an additional time penalty if the boat actually uses a spinnaker on the nights that it is allowed. This has worked well for years in our case.
Regarding the fundraising, the big charity regatta around here benefits our local children’s hospital. They place every boat in their own division and give everyone who finishes a very nice first place flag. The division names are usually something fun, often a play on the boat name. The top fund raisers get special flags and there are some trophies and jackets for the “real” winners across the divisions. It usually gets about 120 boats or more and has raised over a million dollars for the hospital in 14 years, so they must be doing something right. The website for the race is here is anyone wants to see how they set things up: http://www.louieslast.org/ I am not affiliated with the race committee in any way, but have participated for the majority of the races. Jim Reinardy C&C 30 mkII “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:39 PM To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF ratings - Spin vs non-spin Rick, I really like this idea!!!!! JT Delaney C&C 38 MK II Oriental, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis C. <mailto:capt...@yahoo.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF ratings - Spin vs non-spin We used to have fundraiser regattas where the boats bought seconds. That was always fun. To stimulate giving, sponsors donated stuff. Buy a bottle of Bombay rum, get 21 seconds, etc. We raced Touche' at a PHRF rating of 333 one race. Cost me a ton of $$$ and we didn't win but it raised a bunch of money. As to your original question, it's a fundraiser. Boats should be FUN RACING. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA _____ From: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Stus-List PHRF ratings - Spin vs non-spin I help out with a local charity regatta called Pirates on the Pungo. http://www.piratesonpungo.org We are planning to do a couple of special trophies this year, one of which will go to the C&C sailboat that finishes first in the long pursuit race on the first day of sailing. While we plan to have both spin and non-spin classes for the PHRF boats in the regatta (with sub classes to keep the competition fair for all size boats), we want the special awards to span both spin and non-spin. NCPHRF, unlike some other regional PHRF groups, does not grant different spin and non-spin ratings. And the PHRF base ratings that we use for a lot of the casual sailors presume a spinnaker. So we’re thinking about creating an adjusted “NON-SPIN” rating for the boats in the special trophy groups that will let them compete relatively fairly with the spin boats in the same special group. I’ve been told that one of the clubs in Oriental, NC adds an arbitrary 11 seconds to the NCPHRF spin rating to get a “non-spin” rating – regardless of the size or type of boat. That doesn’t sound like it would be fair to the smaller boats like the 24, 25, or 27, and it might be generous for the larger boats like my own 38 or Charlie Nelson’s 36XL. During the past couple of weeks there was some discussion of how various clubs and local groups calculate a “non-spin” rating that lets all boats race in one class. I seem to recall one message that indicated 10% or 15% of the normal rating was added for a boat racing non-spin. But I think there were other methods, too. So the question for the wisdom of the list is this: What is a fair way to adjust the normal PHRF rating (which presumes a spinnaker) for a boat that is racing non-spin? Thanks for your input. Rick Brass Washington, NC _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com _____ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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