It still depends a bit on where you are sailing. My 30-1 gets three(!) seconds a mile from a J-24 and in medium to light air and the flat water we sail in, they clobber me (to the point that we have moved them into the A fleet, the rest of which are under PHRF 150 boats). Get out in the Bay and it is the opposite. Around here, it is tough to get a 'gift' as the PHRF committee covers all of the Chesapeake, which is over 200 miles - and conditions may make it great for a boat in Annapolis and not so great in Norfolk.
Back here in the flat water, the little boats (J-24, J-80, and so forth) do well, out in the waves, they have to fight for their wins. (But, then you put John White in anything and he seems to crawl to the top).... Or, you put Jake in his 35 and he does major damage to the non spinnaker fleet. Oh well, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Edd Schillay To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Dwight, That might have been the intention, but that's not what it became. And, when you have an area where there is one or two of same-model boats, it's a guessing game. For example, a guy in our area owns a Taylor 34. I think there is only two or three in the world. He has a rating of 117 and wins practically every race he sails in. Why? You guessed it. The owner is on the PHRF Board. Corruption ran the gambit in the earlier days and the whole system is too objective. As for performance, there are factors that are not being accounted for such as crew experience, sail condition and bottom prep --- and, honestly, this isn't golf or bowling. A measurement-based system, like IRC or the late Americap, would be non-subjective, and would instantly erase any claims as to impropriety. Instead of competitors sitting at the bar saying he won because he has a gift rating, they can instead use trim, preparation and tactics as the reasons for victory. It may not happen anytime soon, but IMHO, it would be much better for the sport. All the best, Edd ------------------------------- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY ------------------------------- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile ------------------------------- Sent via iPhone 5 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:47 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: Edd, it’s a performance based system… Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: February 8, 2013 5:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review All, Here's my 3 cents (increased for inflation) on PHRF. In the past, I've found the PHRF Board from the YRA of LIS to be the most corrupt and ethically-challenged group in existence. To quote a famous movie, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." Now, things have gotten better in our area, but the problem I see is that the sins of the past are hard to correct. This was especially true recently with an issue with the J/105 rating, which was WAY different than in other areas. But no board of people is ever going to say "we messed up" and adjust 18 points. That would just exposed how bad the system was (and is.) The bigger problem is that it's all we got. IRC measurements are expensive and can only be done for larger boats. There was promise with Americap, but that died out. There needs to be a way to eliminate the human element that we see on PHRF boards and find a formula system similar to what the IRC and Americap systems used, but make it free and universal. Until then, love it or hate it, we're stuck with PHRF. So there's the challenge -- And I urge all you retired mathematic or engineering experts to fire up that old Apple II computer and come up with a system that will take in sail area, displacement, waterline and the I, J, P and E measurements (and give credits for certain speed-affecting cursing gear) and spit out a rating number or Time Correction Factor that will end all the favoritism and corruption at the local PHRF Board. There has got to be a way. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5588 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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