Here in our neck of the woods (Ohio River) the racers have gravitated to S2's; there's a fleet of about 9-10 and growing... also a bunch of aging Pearson 26's...
Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:56 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review This explains the popularity of one-design racing - especially those classes with sensible class rules. -- Jonathan Trade Show Services Cell: (203) 395 0225 www.tradeshowservicesusa.com On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:45, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: Surprising anyone races at all… Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] OnBehalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: February 8, 2013 8:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicapreview Dwight, That might have been the intention, but that's not what it became. And,when you have an area where there is one or two of same-model boats, it's aguessing game. For example, a guy in our area owns a Taylor 34. I think there is only two or threein the world. He has a rating of 117 and wins practically every race he sailsin. Why? You guessed it. The owner is on the PHRF Board. Corruption ran the gambit in the earlier days and the whole system istoo objective. As for performance, there are factors that are not being accounted forsuch as crew experience, sail condition and bottom prep --- and, honestly, thisisn't golf or bowling. A measurement-based system, like IRC or the late Americap, would benon-subjective, and would instantly erase any claims as to impropriety. Insteadof competitors sitting at the bar saying he won because he has a gift rating,they can instead use trim, preparation and tactics as the reasons forvictory. It may not happen anytimesoon, but IMHO, it would be much better for the sport. All the best, Edd ------------------------------- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY ------------------------------- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile ------------------------------- Sent via iPhone 5 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:47 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>wrote: Edd, it’s a performance based system… Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: February 8, 2013 5:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicapreview All, Here's my 3 cents (increased for inflation) on PHRF. Inthe past, I've found the PHRF Board from the YRA of LIS to be the most corruptand ethically-challenged group in existence. To quote a famous movie, "Youwill never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." Now, things have gotten better in our area, but theproblem I see is that the sins of the past are hard to correct. This wasespecially true recently with an issue with the J/105 rating, which was WAYdifferent than in other areas. But no board of people is ever going to say"we messed up" and adjust 18 points. That would just exposed how badthe system was (and is.) The bigger problem is that it's all we got. IRCmeasurements are expensive and can only be done for larger boats. There waspromise with Americap, but that died out. There needs to be a way to eliminatethe human element that we see on PHRF boards and find a formula system similarto what the IRC and Americap systems used, but make it free and universal. Untilthen, love it or hate it, we're stuck with PHRF. So there's the challenge -- And I urge all you retiredmathematic or engineering experts to fire up that old Apple II computer andcome up with a system that will take in sail area, displacement, waterline andthe I, J, P and E measurements (and give credits for certain speed-affectingcursing gear) and spit out a rating number or Time Correction Factor that willend all the favoritism and corruption at the local PHRF Board. There has got to be a way. All the best, Edd EddM. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY StarshipEnterprise's Captain's Log Website No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5588 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5588 - Release Date: 02/07/13 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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