Agreed Dwight, upwind it's a lively bash but without a bunch of rail meat it's not very much fun and limited by theoretical hull speed. Off the wind it can be insanely fun especially when you have been at it all day through a steady increase. You don't really notice how on the edge you are until you try to go back upwind. On the 45 mile return trip of my favourite annual race we had just those conditions and up around 30 knots we had a near broach under the chute. During the sail change we still surfed at 7-8 knots under the main alone. We had a Laser 28 that topped out over 11 knots. That was one fun ride but not anything I'd take non sailors into.
Brent Sent from my iPod On 2013-01-08, at 6:33 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > Brent > > If your boat behaves anything like mine does, you probably reach max upwind > speed at 20 kts apparent or less, that’s around 14 true…more wind means more > everything except speed > > Downwind different story…quite a wake behind the boat and maybe get close to > 10 or better if you are brave enough to fly a kite…but watch for the > accidental boom jibe or broach exacerbated by wave action…hold on tight both > hands…no drinks > > We experienced that type of racing in my 27 III and looking back I now can > admit that it was not a wise decision to be out there…but we survived with > little or no damage to boat or crew > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent > Driedger > Sent: January 8, 2013 8:24 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List McGregor 26M vs Hunter 27 Edge > > Just to clarify I don't necessarily enjoy the sailing conditions over 30 > knots as its hard on both boat and body but with such a short season here and > in the heat of racing sometimes I find we will still sail when the weather is > far from blender drink conditions. You gotta admit though when everything is > balanced and the boat is going like stink, 30 knots can produce quite a smile. > > Brent > Sent from my iPod > > On 2013-01-08, at 3:33 PM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > >> Rick >> >> I guess you know that the C&C 35 MKI, which is a very good boat in most >> respects, has a very low bridge deck or low cabin entry and would probably >> suffer the same insult from plugged cockpit drains as that Hunter 27 >> did…that’s one of several other reasons that I decided on the 35 MKII >> design…not so much because of plugged drains but more so because of big >> waves that may flood my accommodation spaces…the 35 MKII design has a rather >> high bridge deck and the mainsheet traveler is mounted there which makes it >> quite accessible for single handed sailing. >> >> Unlike Brent who by all accounts in an earlier post seems to like sailing in >> 30+ kts true wind to weather in his C&C 27 I have become somewhat more >> unadventurous during my later years and prefer to sail in under 20kts >> apparent to weather…and I have a boat with one of the highest motion comfort >> factors of any 35 foot sailboat ever built and it can perform to her numbers >> reasonably well in all conditions and also has a relatively high bridge deck >> to protect my accommodation spaces from water intrusion in big waves and >> high seas. >> >> Still I understand how some sailors can have fun in a Macgregor built >> boat…my point here…even some C&C boats could have been designed better so we >> C&C owners may be well advised to stop knocking other designs >> >> Dwight Veinot >> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass >> Sent: January 8, 2013 3:06 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List McGregor 26M vs Hunter 27 Edge >> >> For over two years, my self-appointed “do-gooder” job at the country club >> was to pump out the neglected Hunter 27 in the slip across from my 25 every >> month or so. Leaves and pine straw carried on the wind would get into and >> block the cockpit scuppers, the shallow cockpit would get filled up with >> rain water, and the water would start spilling down below into the cabin and >> overfill the bilge. Of course, since the owner didn’t come down to the boat >> except once or twice a year, the battery had runn down and the bilge pump >> didn’t work. The first time that I pumped out the boat it had water almost >> to the level of the cabin settees. >> >> Now my 25 also lacks a bridge deck, but the step-over height is at least a >> couple of inches higher than on the Hunter (my inclineometer is mounted down >> there), and I was on my boat at least every week or two – even in the winter >> – so I could notice if the cockpit drains got plugged. >> >> Given how neglected by their owners most boats are, I don’t think a low >> cabin entry is much of a selling feature. >> >> And, BTW, the 26X (with rotating mast) has no bridge deck, traveler, or >> vang. I suppose that’s another difference between the 26M and the 26X. >> >> >> Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent >> Driedger >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:20 AM >> To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List McGregor 26M vs Hunter 27 Edge >> >> Interesting read. I think the author likely would not be chuffed by a less >> than 34 foot C&C either based on his lengthy rant about the 26Ms traveller >> located on the bridge deck in front of the companionway. Oh he also bitched >> about the bridge deck too and the inconvenience of stepping up and over it >> to enter the cabin. It's a long way up on a 37+ so he clearly is stuck where >> he is. I guess In reality the likelihood of a Hunter 26 with its low >> entrance ever having its cockpit filled by a bad wave or broach is pretty >> small. >> >> On a separate side note and just for shits and giggles I went to the >> MacGregor website to poke around the photo gallery. There is a section where >> they took the 26M out off the California coast in true winds of 37 mph >> (shown in MPH for the non sailors I guess). They labeled this as "don't try >> this at home". If I needed to feel concerned about sailing in 32 knots of >> wind I think I'd just quit sailing all together! I shook my head in >> disbelief. The crew looked comfortable but why wouldn't they, they were >> being chased by an M70 camera boat! Nice safety net. Also in the pictures of >> them sailing in the gale, they are never close hauled. It makes me wonder if >> these boats can even beat upwind if blowing over 20 knots. Fun stuff. >> >> Brent >> C&C 27V >> Lake Winnipeg >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On 2013-01-06, at 5:29 PM, "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Here's a review by a guy who owned both a McGregor 26M and a Hunter Edge 27. >> Interesting comparison. >> >> http://www.doctorbeer.com/jay/sail/Hunter%2027E%20vs%20MacGregor%2026M.pdf >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5518 - Release Date: 01/08/13 >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5518 - Release Date: 01/08/13 > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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