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1. Re: xantrex link 20 (Colin Kilgour)
2. Re: Fuel fill hose replacement (bria...@aol.com)
3. Re: Fuel fill hose replacement (Chuck S)
4. Re: buying a C&C 40 (Richard Bush)
5. Re: buying a C&C 40 (Chuck S)
6. Re: Charging System Advice (Colin Kilgour)
7. Re: buying a C&C 40 (Andrew Burton)
8. Re: buying a C&C 40 (Bill Coleman)
9. Re: CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit (Hoyt, Mike)
10. Re: CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit (Joel Aronson)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:54:11 -0500
From: Colin Kilgour <charliekilo...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List xantrex link 20
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Martin,
I have a similar - but not identical set up - and managed to spend
over 300 consecutive nights on board with less than 10 of those hooked
to shore power.
If you get a good balance on each of your generation, consumption, and
storage, you can do pretty well at keeping the big yellow cord stored
deep in the lazarette.
Cheers
Colin
On 12/4/12, Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> wrote:
Correct. I'm pretty sure they're using Hall-effect sensors for that now.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:22 PM, pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I'm looking at the current sensing ring that fits over the conductor vs
a
shunt. The ring could be on the power or ground side - unless there's
something I'm mis-understanding.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:54:21 -0500 (EST)
From: bria...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel fill hose replacement
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Alan,
Don't stop with checking just the fuel hoses. My 1986 Landfall 39 had very
badly "weakened" deck drain hoses. Looking at them, I would never have
guessed how weak they were.
I bought the boat about 2 months ago, and just had it surveyed after doing
a fair amount of work in preparation for the survey. The surveyor picked
up
on the hoses, and he was absolutely correct!
While they looked fine, when they were flexed they showed surface cracks.
When I tried to remove them, they ripped apart. It appears that the wire
reinforcement had corroded internally, and the hoses rubber had simply
deteriorated.
These were the "Shields" brand black hoses with the green printed labeling
on them. Doing a further search, we found the same type (although
different
diameter) Shields black hoses used on the head seawater intakes and the
galley sink drain. All exhibited similar decay.
Bill Hartman
C&C Landfall 39 "MYSTY"
Charlottesville, VA.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 02:44:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel fill hose replacement
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Bought our 1990 boat in 2002. Replaced all hoses on the engine cooling,
bilge pumps and head over the first winter, every hose except the engine
exhaust. Better than a good insurance policy and 10% the cost. Definitely
do the head in winter; cut it out and throw away.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
----- Original Message -----
From: bria...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:54:21 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel fill hose replacement
Alan,
Don't stop with checking just the fuel hoses. My 1986 Landfall 39 had very
badly "weakened" deck drain hoses. Looking at them, I would never have
guessed how weak they were.
I bought the boat about 2 months ago, and just had it surveyed after doing
a fair amount of work in preparation for the survey. The surveyor picked
up on the hoses, and he was absolutely correct!
While they looked fine, when they were flexed they showed surface cracks.
When I tried to remove them, they ripped apart. It appears that the wire
reinforcement had corroded internally, and the hoses rubber had simply
deteriorated.
These were the "Shields" brand black hoses with the green printed labeling
on them. Doing a further search, we found the same type (although
different diameter) Shields black hoses used on the head seawater intakes
and the galley sink drain. All exhibited similar decay.
Bill Hartman
C&C Landfall 39 "MYSTY"
Charlottesville, VA.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:45:11 -0600
From: Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Bill, very astute observation, we looked at a 37 today, have to "weigh"
all of the factors...!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net> wrote:
Uh ?oh, is the Bush family moving up again after just buying a 33?!
Bill Coleman
C&C 39 <image001.gif>
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 3:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
I know he does, yes. He can be reached at 401 369-0487.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Richard N. Bush <bushma...@aol.com>
wrote:
Andy, could you send me the contact info for Dwight Escalera of Executive
Marine? Any idea if he travels to upper Mass.? Thanks
Richard
1987 33-II
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 02:52:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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I prefer the interior layout of the 1989 37/40 with an aft cabin queen
sized bed to the 1980 40 footer, which is much narrower in the stern. You
pay a little more, but resale will be better. There was a 37R wich is
pretty spartan, and full cruise 37plus and a 37XL . They were built in
light racey 8 ft deep keel versions and centerboard versions too.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:45:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
Bill, very astute observation, we looked at a 37 today, have to "weigh"
all of the factors...!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Bill Coleman" < colt...@verizon.net > wrote:
Uh ?oh, is the Bush family moving up again after just buying a 33?!
Bill Coleman
C&C 39 <image001.gif>
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 3:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
I know he does, yes. He can be reached at 401 369-0487.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Richard N. Bush < bushma...@aol.com >
wrote:
Andy, could you send me the contact info for Dwight Escalera of Executive
Marine? Any idea if he travels to upper Mass.? Thanks
Richard
1987 33-II
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:22:40 -0500
From: Colin Kilgour <charliekilo...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging System Advice
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Bob, don't laugh about popping the clutch.
I used to start my old 1GM Yanmar with a hand crank.
Back in the day, I occasionally found myself with 2 dead batteries and
nothing to get the engine going.
We'd simply pull out the hand crank, decompress the cylinder, spin it
around and then release.
Worked like a charm... Not so much on my Perkins 4-236 though.
On 12/4/12, Bob Moriarty <bobmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Danny,
The good ol' Atomic 4. Under sail, with a big enough prop, you don't even
need a battery to start it. Just turn on the ignition and pop the clutch.
Doesn't work at the dock, though. What's the emoticon for exaggeration?
For the windlass, how about going manual? That would be a lot simpler.
Bob M
Ox 33-1 (w/A4 technology)
Jax, FL
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, djhaug...@juno.com
<djhaug...@juno.com>wrote:
Well My answer is, the smaller deep cycle came with the boat and starts
the atomic 4 just fine. So, I continued to use it as a starting battery
and got 2 new, larger capacity for the house batteries.
Danny
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging System Advice
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:40:54 -0600
Yes, you're correct.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
wrote:
My question on this thread is why is a deep cycle battery being used for
starting. I understood that the deep cycle should be used for the house
and
a separate starting battery is for that purpose. Correct?
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:42:30 -0500
From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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Richard, We looked at a 37 in Wickford and aside from a few deck problems,
it was a pretty good boat that I think could be had pretty reasonably. But
it had nothing much in the way of equipment on it. If we hadn't found the
40, we were leaning very much in the direction of this 37.
Andy
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone +401 965 5260
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Richard Bush <bushma...@aol.com> wrote:
Bill, very astute observation, we looked at a 37 today, have to "weigh"
all of the factors...!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net> wrote:
Uh ?oh, is the Bush family moving up again after just buying a 33?!****
** **
Bill Coleman****
C&C 39 <image001.gif>****
** **
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Andrew
Burton
*Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2012 3:42 PM
*To:* <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40****
** **
I know he does, yes. He can be reached at 401 369-0487.****
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Richard N. Bush < <bushma...@aol.com>
bushma...@aol.com> wrote:****
Andy, could you send me the contact info for Dwight Escalera of Executive
Marine? Any idea if he travels to upper Mass.? Thanks ****
Richard****
1987 33-II****
****
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255****
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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:35:41 -0500
From: "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying a C&C 40
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I may be going out on a limb here, but I am also guessing that your visit
to
Mystic may turn out to be a pretty expensive ticket . . .
Bill Coleman
C&C 39 animated_favicon1
Bill, very astute observation, we looked at a 37 today, have to "weigh"
all
of the factors...!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net> wrote:
Uh -oh, is the Bush family moving up again after just buying a 33?!
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:45:55 -0400
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
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Can you use a pressure washer to try to remove the blockage from the
scuppers? Is likely needles or leaves from trees.
________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Deppisch
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
Hi,
The drains are what they are! A very bad design and unless you want to
make them bigger which means a lot of work you are stuck with the
design. I don't remember having water in the cockpit while sailing. I
checked with Kevin, another Redline 25 owner, and he says no problem
with water in the cockpit.
You may want to buy or make yourself a cockpit grate. They keep the
shoes from getting wet.
If you want to change the drains you will need to install access hatches
in the cockpit and then put in larger drains and larger drain tubes and
then you will need to drill holes in the hull and install larger
diameter through-hulls / seacocks!
In order to launch you may want to check the following:
1. make sure all through-hulls /seacocks are working, i.e. they can
be closed and opened. Check to make sure that they are bronze or
Marelon plastic. I prefer bronze.
2. The hoses need to be double clamped.
3. Make sure the halyards are not frayed and ensure that the main
halyard rope-wire splice is in good condition.
4. Make sure that your running lights work
5. You may or may not have a steaming light and if you do then it
needs to work and you will need to install one if you intend to be
motoring after dark.
6. Spare rope
7. Anchor and 200 feet of rode
8. Boarding ladder
9. You may want to check the head and holding tank to make sure
that it is in working order. :)
Cheers,
Peter
S/V Tangerine
C&C35 MK II
S/V Charis.
Redline 25
Lion's Head, Ontario
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From: jt32...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:43:23 -0500
Subject: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit to under-hull or keel
area...
hi fellow CnC'ers,
i'm a new owner and have a couple of questions, the firsr has to do
with the
thru hull drain holes from cockpit to under-hull or keel area.
these darn holes keep getting plugged and never really drain properly.
i understand an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so i
wonder,
now that she's on the hard, is there anything i can do to get her as
unplugged as possible and to keep her holes free and clear?
Her previous owner is not available due to health and can not
ascertain how
long she has been on hard without seeing water, so the next question
is what
should i do to prep her for April launching?
Any good experience/advice would be very greatly appreciated.
jt
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:49:42 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
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Use a coat hangar! Then flush it out. Water may just compact the
blockage.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote:
**
Can you use a pressure washer to try to remove the blockage from the
scuppers? Is likely needles or leaves from trees.
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*Peter
Deppisch
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
Hi,
The drains are what they are! A very bad design and unless you want to
make them bigger which means a lot of work you are stuck with the
design. I don't remember having water in the cockpit while sailing. I
checked with Kevin, another Redline 25 owner, and he says no problem with
water
in the cockpit.
You may want to buy or make yourself a cockpit grate. They keep the
shoes from getting wet.
If you want to change the drains you will need to install access hatches
in the cockpit and then put in larger drains and larger drain tubes and
then you will need to drill holes in the hull and install larger diameter
through-hulls / seacocks!
In order to launch you may want to check the following:
1. make sure all through-hulls /seacocks are working, i.e. they can be
closed and opened. Check to make sure that they are bronze or Marelon
plastic. I prefer bronze.
2. The hoses need to be double clamped.
3. Make sure the halyards are not frayed and ensure that the main
halyard rope-wire splice is in good condition.
4. Make sure that your running lights work
5. You may or may not have a steaming light and if you do then it
needs to work and you will need to install one if you intend to be
motoring
after dark.
6. Spare rope
7. Anchor and 200 feet of rode
8. Boarding ladder
9. You may want to check the head and holding tank to make sure that
it is in working order. :)
Cheers,
Peter
S/V Tangerine
C&C35 MK II
S/V Charis.
Redline 25
Lion's Head, Ontario
_______________________
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> From: jt32...@gmail.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:43:23 -0500
> Subject: Stus-List CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit
>
> CnC-25 Redline thru hull drainage from cockpit to under-hull or keel
area...
>
> hi fellow CnC'ers,
> i'm a new owner and have a couple of questions, the firsr has to do
> with
the
> thru hull drain holes from cockpit to under-hull or keel area.
> these darn holes keep getting plugged and never really drain properly.
> i understand an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so i
wonder,
> now that she's on the hard, is there anything i can do to get her as
> unplugged as possible and to keep her holes free and clear?
>
> Her previous owner is not available due to health and can not ascertain
how
> long she has been on hard without seeing water, so the next question is
what
> should i do to prep her for April launching?
>
> Any good experience/advice would be very greatly appreciated.
>
> jt
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