If adding significant weight to the keel (increasing the righting moment), then 
you should take into account the increased load on the rig.

--Seb

On Nov 22, 2012, at 16:02, dwight veinot wrote:

> The real problem with reducing draft that way is that the keel and the rudder 
> end up in almost the same plane and that is bad for grounding, otherwise the 
> bulb works fine…if there is any way possible to be content with the deeper 
> draft then don’t do the mod which reduces the draft…with a 29II it would not 
> hurt to add some weight to the bottom of the existing deep draft keel with a 
> bulb…about 300-400 pounds with a split torpedo bulb would work real good in 
> my opinion…but that would depend on where you sail…predominantly light wind 
> no change required…around here where our coastal winds are predominantly 
> above 15 apparent to weather in the summer afternoons the added ballast would 
> be appreciated
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno 
> Lachance
> Sent: November 22, 2012 4:20 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
>  
>  
> Hi,
>  
> A friend of mine did the job himself on his 29-II with the help and support 
> of the guys at Marsmetal in Ontario. He took the measurements, cut the keel 
> (chainsaw), draw the print and order the kit. It's a pretty big job, but very 
> feasable if you have the time to do it right. Probably for half the cost. My 
> friend is really happy with result, with the new height of the boat he can 
> now tow his boat down to florida on its trailer for the winter and then come 
> back! the performance loss under sail is minimal in his opinion.
>  
> There' a lot of info on that procedure on their website:
>  
> http://www.marskeel.com/
> 
> By the way i think they were the manufacturer for C&C, so they have the 
> templates, design, everything to do it right. I met another happy customer 
> who did business with them to reduce the draft of his 34. A trip to the 
> Bahamas was his motivation.
>  
> I looked at this project very closely before buying my 33-II, i was afraid of 
> the deep draft, but finally i love the boat so much as is, i would never be 
> able to modify the design, i prefer to modify my schedule instead and work 
> with the tides. But i understand that some people just have no other choices 
> and love the C&C! so what can you do!
>  
>  Bruno Lachance
> Bécassine, C&C 33 II (1987)
> 
>  
> From: joseph.va...@vallegroup.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:49:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
> 
> Ron,
>  
> Thanks for the input. I'll check them out. Happy Thanksgiving.
>  
> Joe
>  
> From: Ron Casciato
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:20 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
>  
> Joe:
> I stand corrected.... It was Burr Brothers that did the Catalina 36.  
> Great results.......
> Ron C.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:22 AM, David Risch <davidrisc...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> In Marion there are two yards...Bardens and Burr Brothers.   Given a choice 
> for quality I would go with Burr (pricey though).
> 
> You may want to speak with Triad in Mattappoisett.  Quality and reasonable 
> prices.   Good guys too.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving!   
> 
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> > From: rjcasci...@comcast.net
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:05:08 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
> > 
> > Hello Joe:
> > 
> > A friend of mine had this done to his Catalina 36 aboaut 5 years
> > ago.........he needed a shallow draft for the Charlotte Harbor in Florida
> > where he moved prior to this project.
> > 
> > He used the Brewer's yard in Marion, MA and while I didn't watch the
> > process, the result has been very satisfactory........he's tough to beat in
> > his class down there.
> > 
> > I'd contact Brewer's and get their take on this modification. I do remember
> > that he offered that it was more expensive than he had originally
> > budgeted.......I suspect it came in around 8-10K. 
> > 
> > I might also look for a deeper mooring spot.......
> > 
> > Good luck,
> > 
> > Ron Casciato
> > Impromptu
> > C&C 38MKIIC....'77
> > Mass Bay
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
> > Valle
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:47 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
> > 
> > I own a C&C 29' Mark II. I am contemplating cutting my keel about 14 inches
> > to accommodate a shallow mooring spot. Mars Metal from Canada makes a keel
> > bulb that will bolt to the remaining keel to make up for weight and righting
> > moment. Has anyone had experience with this?
> > 
> > Joseph R. Valle
> > Chairman & C.E.O.
> > The Valle Group, Inc.
> > 70 East Falmouth Highway, Suite 3
> > East Falmouth, MA 02536
> > Phone 508-548-1450
> > Cell 508-566-3441
> > joseph.va...@vallegroup.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> > Persuasion
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:38 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List Fw: Photos needed
> > 
> > Anybody with a 37 would know. For that matter anybody with a 35 would know 
> > also.
> > 
> > 
> > Mike
> > S/V Persuasion
> > C&C 37 K/CB
> > Stormont Yacht Club
> > http://www.stormontyachtclub.ca/
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Pete Shelquist
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:51 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed
> > 
> > I have a nice shot of a 37 I'll send in. It's a better looking boat than
> > what's listed and they won't know the difference.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:42 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed
> > 
> > Folks, I do not know what version 35 they want -- they probably don't know
> > either.
> > 
> > If you are sending me a photo:
> > a) send it to s...@cncphotoalbum.com
> > b) images should be high-res, jpeg format and not thumbnail size.
> > 
> > I'll send them what I get.
> > 
> > Stu
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Graham Collins
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:39 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed
> > 
> > Hi Stu
> > Which version 35, and to what email address?
> > 
> > Graham Collins
> > Secret Plans
> > C&C 35-III #11
> > 
> > 
> > Stu wrote:
> > > I have just received an email from BoatUS Publications:
> > > We are updating our online boat reviews and looking for a good photo
> > > of a C&C 35, C&C 99 and C&C Landfall 38 sailboat, showing the whole
> > > boats well, preferably under sail. Would you be able to help me? We
> > > would give credit to the photographer of course.
> > > If you have any photos that qualify, send them to me and I'll send
> > > them to BoatUS after I gloat over them and paste a bunch on the Photo
> > > Album - after all it is a photo album.
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
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