My bowman (or me depending on the crew makeup for the week) stands to windward of the pole. So...basically standing between the mast and forestay near the centerline, facing aft/leeward toward the pole with the soon-to-be-new guy in hand.
Gives good eye-contact with the back of the bus, and since the load of the chute will be carried by the two sheets when we trip, the guy isn't loaded, so no pole springback. Also, it's nearly impossible to get the guy out of the jaw if it's under load and has been squared back at all. So you have to unload the going-to-be-old guy to jibe anyway. And like I said before....this is largely a religious debate. And nothing pushes the wrong buttons like trying to convince people to change religion. So, I move to shelve the debate of end-for-end vs dip pole. Seconded? -Keith -----Original Message----- From: dwight veinot [mailto:dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:24 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List WTB and Re: C&C 35Mk III Spinnaker Sheets / Guys Keith Does your bowman stand between the mast and the pole while setting up the end for end jibe or does he stand forward of the pole? Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -----Original Message----- From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR Sent: September 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List WTB and Re: C&C 35Mk III Spinnaker Sheets / Guys Whoa there partner.... very controversial question. You might have better luck asking which religion is best, or Coke vs Pepsi, or whether the toilet paper should be "over" or "under". Honestly, I think it leads to fewer screwups. On the dip pole you have to put the line in the jaw a particular direction...and it's sometimes not intuitive. Yes...dip pole jibes have happened on other boats for centuries and have never ever been screwed up. :) But not mine. Maybe my crew just has lower IQ than the rest of the list that dip-poles. The moving frame of reference throws off my crew and we end up with the line zigzagging thru the jaw and wrapped around it. Also, I could never get the coordination between mast man, bowman, and pit to move the topping lift, car, and trip the pole all in the right timing, sequence, or direction, to actually DIP the pole. We've not had nearly the same level of problems with end-for-end. Also, with end-for-end, you only really need a bowman to do the maneuver. Possibly a little help from the pit to drop the pole a few feet if he's short. But other than that, it's all in the bowman's hands. (Don't need the mast man for the maneuver.) So I can fly the chute with one less crew compared to dip pole. Safety is a wash..... you either have a 13' pole hanging on a line with both ends detached, but unloaded..... or you have a 13' pole attached to the mast but the free end moving at a high rate of speed toward your bowman on the pointy end. Neither is inherently safer than the other. (IMHO). Then again, ships are safe tied to the dock, but that's not what ships are for. I've never understood the switch-hitters. It's not clear to me why when the winds are up you want to send people to the farthest end of the boat with the most motion. Either way the chute spends a few seconds totally free flying, and if you have 2 hands on the pole, supported by the topping lift, not sure the big deal. Seems like it's better to control the pole from the middle, but it's just MHO. -Keith M C&C 35-3 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
