Keith says:
"Safety is a wash.....
you either have a 13' pole hanging on a line with both ends detached,
but unloaded.....
or you have a 13' pole attached to the mast but the free end moving at a
high rate of speed toward your bowman on the pointy end.
Neither is inherently safer than the other. (IMHO)."
I said earlier I prefer a dip pole jibe for safety reasons, my safety.
I would position myself in front of the forestay looking back so there
is no way a swinging 13' spin pole could hit me as long as I stayed in
front of the forestay.
You need to take your crew out and practice, practice, practice.
1. move the in board end of the pole up the mast at a predetermined
level so the pole can swing clearly under the forestay.
2. bring the pole/guy back about 60 to 70 degrees (from the forestay) so
that the jaw can release easily and drop
3. when the mast man releases the guy/jaw, the pit man lowers the pole,
a.k.a. drops the topping lift, again to a predetermined level which
should be marked on the topping lift line.
4. mast man guides the pole down and forward to the bowman, positioned
in front of the forestay holding the lazy guy in a predetermined manner.
5. bowman always has lazy guy positioned in his hand so that he drops it
in the jaw with his thumb on top of the guy line that trips the jaw and
closes it
6. new guy tripped, the bowman yells 'MADE'
7. pitman raises pole, mast man can aid and brings in board back down
8. trimmers do their job
9. helmsman is the quarterback .....should free fly the chute for a few
moments DDW and not rush the crew.
Everyone has their own preferences......mine, being a bowman on a big
boat, in a big breeze, doing a spin jibe, the dip pole method with a
crew that knows what they are doing, especially the helmsman, would be
my preference. I have done it this way hundreds of times and have never
gotten hit by a swinging pole crouched down in front of the forestay.
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2012/09/18 10:09 AM, Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR wrote:
Whoa there partner.... very controversial question.
You might have better luck asking which religion is best, or Coke vs
Pepsi, or whether the toilet paper should be "over" or "under".
Honestly, I think it leads to fewer screwups. On the dip pole you have
to put the line in the jaw a particular direction...and it's sometimes
not intuitive.
Yes...dip pole jibes have happened on other boats for centuries and have
never ever been screwed up. :)
But not mine. Maybe my crew just has lower IQ than the rest of the list
that dip-poles.
The moving frame of reference throws off my crew and we end up with the
line zigzagging thru the jaw and wrapped around it.
Also, I could never get the coordination between mast man, bowman, and
pit to move the topping lift, car, and trip the pole all in the right
timing, sequence, or direction, to actually DIP the pole.
We've not had nearly the same level of problems with end-for-end.
Also, with end-for-end, you only really need a bowman to do the
maneuver. Possibly a little help from the pit to drop the pole a few
feet if he's short. But other than that, it's all in the bowman's hands.
(Don't need the mast man for the maneuver.) So I can fly the chute with
one less crew compared to dip pole.
Safety is a wash.....
you either have a 13' pole hanging on a line with both ends detached,
but unloaded.....
or you have a 13' pole attached to the mast but the free end moving at a
high rate of speed toward your bowman on the pointy end.
Neither is inherently safer than the other. (IMHO).
Then again, ships are safe tied to the dock, but that's not what ships
are for.
I've never understood the switch-hitters. It's not clear to me why when
the winds are up you want to send people to the farthest end of the boat
with the most motion. Either way the chute spends a few seconds totally
free flying, and if you have 2 hands on the pole, supported by the
topping lift, not sure the big deal. Seems like it's better to control
the pole from the middle, but it's just MHO.
-Keith M
C&C 35-3
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