Hey Gustin,

> AFAIK Switzerland is the only nation that has meaningful legislation
Iceland also makes the list (and would be my selection):
https://nomadcapitalist.com/2013/12/15/top-5-best-countries-host-website-data-privacy/

> Having said that legislation does not actually protect your data.
>  Technology and processes do.
Amen Brother!

I'm just thinking that if I have to go through setting up email I may as
well do it in a reasonably secure way.

Skipping the lawyer discussions on monitoring/capturing stored
communications vs live communications ... If you don't store your
email/files/whatever on a remote system you don't have to secure the
storage, only the communication.  This is still a difficult problem but
there are reasonably good solutions for this.

Cheers,
John J.

On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 14:54 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote:
> There is no "safe" place to store your data.   FISA means that any
> claim that there is legal protection for your data is utter nonsense.
>  AFAIK Switzerland is the only nation that has meaningful legislation
> covering this, so if you need that checkbox to make someone happy,
> then this is your place.  All of the infrastructure between you and
> Switzerland is vulnerable, so functionally you have no ultimately safe
> options.   
> 
> 
> Having said that legislation does not actually protect your data.
>  Technology and processes do.
> 
> 
> It is also worth noting that all encryption does is to slow down
> access to the data (assuming the encryption was done correctly).
>  While currently this means centuries+, tomorrow's innovations will
> eventually bring this down into a useful time frame.  If you have data
> that absolutely must not fall into someone else's hands, then storing
> it in the public cloud" is simply not an option. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Greg King <wgk...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>         I attended a recent talk by Mark Rasch, Legal, Regulatory and
>         Privacy Specialist with Critical Defence, Washington DC, who
>         claimed hosting data in the USA is actually safer than in
>         Canada because of rules the NSA and others must follow to
>         access private data in the USA, but once data is hosted
>         anywhere else in the world it is fair game.  Of course being a
>         non-American probably gives you less protection in the USA
>         than a native, but it is an interesting twist on who the
>         powers that be can snoop on. 
>         
>         Greg
>         
>         ______________________________________________________________
>         From: "Gustin Johnson" <gus...@meganerd.ca>
>         To: "CLUG General" <clug-talk@clug.ca>
>         Sent: Tuesday, 19 August, 2014 8:44:04 AM
>         Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Calgary area high-speed ISPs /
>         running your own        mail server
>         
>         
>         Most of the local ISPs that I have used filter inbound and
>         outbound port 25 on their "residential" services, which makes
>         running a mail server locally problematic without the use of a
>         smart host.  
>         
>         Most of the "business" packages do not have this restriction.
>          Having said that, a VPS is a whole lot cheaper, I have a
>         couple of http://buyvm.net/ VMs which have been excellent
>         value.  
>         
>         
>         For those that worry about having their data reside in the US,
>         I would recommend https://mykolab.com/, which is a hosted
>         kolab solution based out of Switzerland  (Canada provides no
>         protection beyond what you would get in the US anyway).
>         
>         
>         Kolab and Citadel are my two favourite messaging/collaboration
>         suites.
>         
>         
>         On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Bogi <khan...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>                 I would suggest Shaw, they have a commercial add-on to
>                 the residential package
>                 with a fixed ip address and no filtering, you can
>                 pretty much run anything on
>                 that box. I can't see why you couldn't do the same on
>                 a residential package
>                 with dyndns setting for mx..
>                 experhost has a linux vps offering, around $20 a
>                 month, and you can run a mail
>                 server there :-) along with your own named and
>                 whatever else you may want.
>                 
>                 Cheers
>                 Sam
>                 
>                 
>                 On August 18, 2014 Monday 23:43:36 John Jardine wrote:
>                 > Hi,
>                 >
>                 > Tried to send a similar message earlier but it
>                 appears to have been
>                 > lost.
>                 >
>                 > My webmail provider (spamcop.net) is converting to
>                 be a mail-forwarder,
>                 > not a mail provider.  That leaves me looking for a
>                 replacement.
>                 >
>                 > I am quite happy to run my own mail server but most
>                 ISPs disallow that.
>                 >
>                 > Any suggestions for either a secure email provider
>                 or an ISP that allows
>                 > customers to run their own mail servers?
>                 >
>                 > Thanks,
>                 > John J.
>                 >
>                 >
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