Fair enough.  I'm a hipocrite.

Kev.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:21 AM
To: CLUG General
Subject: Re: [clug-talk] President's Address 2007

So let me get this straight, I point out that 1=1, you call me a cheeseball, 
and now your the etiquette tsar for the group? This is how flame ware start, 
don't get me started.

Jesse 

On Fri, 2007-09-03 at 08:09 -0700, Kevin Anderson wrote:
> Sarcasm or not, it doesn't matter.  When you trash the people who are trying 
> to help, you make it less likely that people will offer help in the future.  
> That eliminates the value of the group.  Period.
> 
> What belongs here is "Thanks for stepping up Kin".  "You might have been the 
> only option for prez, but you'd have been my first choice anyway, Kin".  
> "This is a great change for CLUG, and I look forward to an exciting new 
> year".  "You have my complete support Kin.  If you need my help, please ask". 
> 
> Call it sarcasm, call it joking, call it whatever you want, negative comments 
> will drive people away from this group in general, and the executive in 
> particular.  You need to stop.
> 
> For those sending me personal messages, note that this goes for you 
> too.  Jesse, like Kin, has been here for a long time, and has also 
> contributed to this group.  He deserves to be treated exactly the same 
> as Kin.  I have zero interest in a 14 year old girl "I'm mad at her, 
> so if you're my friend, you won't talk to her either" type argument.  
> I'm not 14, I'm not a girl.  I can appreciate Jesse (and give him a 
> tshirt) based on his value to this group, and also let him know that 
> he's out of line for some particular action.  That doesn't mean that I 
> don't value his input on this list, it means that he needs to be 
> reprimanded.  I've been reprimanded (publicly on this list) when I 
> deserved it (My very first post, if I remember correctly), and I don't 
> think it was done to be malicious.  It was done because it was in the 
> best interest of this group.  Peer presure to "behave" is quite 
> powerful, and can be used for good.  We all know that knocking the 
> President is bad.  Rather than
 pr
>  ivately starting an "I hate Jesse" (Or Kevin) group, lets just publicly 
> straighten out the problem.  If I asked aboutusing Fdisk, you'd answer 
> publically and the issue would get resolved.  Interpersonal issues in a 
> public forum such as CLUG should be handled in the same way, quickly, 
> factually, and publically.
> 
> Kev.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:55 AM
> To: CLUG General
> Subject: Re: [clug-talk] President's Address 2007
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> Chill out. This is <sarcasm>. There is no fighting going on. 
> 
> Some of you people take me way too seriously.
> 
> Jesse
> 
> On Thu, 2007-08-03 at 21:33 -0700, Kevin Anderson wrote:
> > Jesse,
> > 
> > You were a cheeseball at the meeting asking for a shirt but I cut you slack 
> > and gave you one anyway because you've been a long time contributor to the 
> > group.  
> > 
> > Kin has been a positive contributor to this group for as far back as I 
> > remember.  Doing things different from your preference is not the same as 
> > doing them incorrectly.  The BLOG is public.  It's easy to find via google, 
> > and it reaches people who are not subscribed to this list, or others (such 
> > as myself) who only read the emails occasionally.  
> > 
> > Whining about someone who is doing work for the group with zero expectation 
> > of something in return is stupid and wrong.  This infighting is why the 
> > first CLUG meeting I went to was crowded and packed (remember we moved 
> > because we needed a bigger space).  Whereas yesterday, the place was half 
> > empty.  Lets take this as an opportunity to support the people offering 
> > their time to the betterment of this group.  Who wants to go somewhere that 
> > they're surrounded by constant squabbling.  Really, I read one email in 
> > this whole thread, and it's a scrap.  On DAY 1 with a new prez.
> > 
> > If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.  LIVE 
> > THAT.
> > 
> > Kev
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:58 PM
> > To: CLUG General
> > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] President's Address 2007
> > 
> > On Thu, 2007-08-03 at 13:49 -0700, kwong wrote:
> > > I have created my message in a blog rather than flood the mail 
> > > list with my drivel for those that might be interested but don't frequent 
> > > the website.
> > 
> > So let me get this straight, instead of sending an e-mail to the list, you 
> > wrote a blog entry, then sent an e-mail to the list. On top of that you 
> > didn't provide a url. So now instead of an e-mail with all the information, 
> > I have an e-mail with reference to the information which I now have to look 
> > for.
> > 
> > Jesse
> > 
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