A lot of wisdom here. Though, it hasn't educated me or increased my linux
knowledge, for which I belong to this group.
I generally refrain from asking, due to bruises received for asking 'stupid' or
'idiotic' linux questions or for not rtfm.
I will risk again....
I have a Fujitsu laptop with a Transmeta Crusoe 850mhz processor, dual booted
with Winxp and Ubuntu. Ubuntu crawls - taking minutes to respond. I have NO
idea where to start looking. (xp sails - so not hardware issue). Ubuntu detects
all hardware - I think.
Thanks,
Dharam
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On Tuesday 18 April 2006 08:32, Juan Alberto Cirez wrote:
> years; but rather to illustrate a simple reality (which seems to have
> escaped most everyone): Windows is the number one desktop OS. Linux is
i think we all realize that. you'd have be somewhat mentally challenged not=
=20
to.
> not. Windows is supported by most--if not all--OEMs; Linux is not. A
ditto.
> blind monkey can install, and use windows productively. With Linux, on
ah .. so -that's- why "video professor" makes so much money selling windows=
=20
how-to cd's! and why so many people struggle daily with windows!
no, the -only- reason why most people in office professions can deal with=20
windows is because they are trained on it. and even then, most are marginal=
ly=20
proficient.
> the other hand, such monkey would need to be a bit smarter than the
> average Congo gorilla(which all of us on this list are).
it is precisely this out-dated viewpoint that KDE/Linux is somehow Not Read=
y=20
due to usability that some continue to hold on to that i was trying to=20
address.
3 years ago (or was it only 2?) a professional, independent study was done=
=20
that put people who had only used win98 in front of either a winXP system o=
r=20
a KDE/Linux system. despite KDE/Linux being a wildly different OS from=20
windows, they managed to complete the same tasks as they did on winXP with=
=20
~10% time difference with no training and on the first usage.
once KDE is installed properly on a system (which is really an advanced use=
r=20
or a system integrator's job, much as properly installing Windows is), it's=
=20
not the horrible mess it was 5 years ago. i've personally supported non-tec=
h,=20
average users on KDE for a number of years and have discovered that this=20
anecdotal experience reflects the above mentioned study.
there are entire hospitals, banks, record stores, manufacturing plants, etc=
,=20
etc... running on KDE out there. these places are not staffed with=20
ubermunchen (see how i brought it back to nietzsche? ;) but regular people.=
=20
heck, *taco bell* is currently setting up their kde/linux deployment for=20
in-store usage alongside their in-store linux servers. it doesn't get much=
=20
more prole than that.
so while we face challenges to adoption today, the ease of use issue isn't =
it.
> Yes, we are and
> will continue to make progress to make Linux easier to use to the
> average user; but even then we will need the support of "Aristocratic
> Society" to become a "mainstream", desktop OS.
what i take issue with is the concept that big business will drive this to=
=20
success rather than jump on the bandwagon post-success. this thinking leads=
=20
directly to trying to pander to these people as opposed to our real user ba=
se=20
and the next market segments that we can cross to easiest (which isn't=20
enterprise, btw). if you think "aristocratic society" has -any- clue as to=
=20
what's going on here, i suggest looking at ibm's laughably bad "workplace"=
=20
linux offering or the "strategies" of companies such as dell.
more good is happening right now in desktop deployment due to companies suc=
h=20
as Linspire, Mandriva and Xandros than most of the rest. Intel is putting a=
=20
huge push into these things as well. and yet -still- most of the developmen=
t=20
and vision comes from outside of -all- of these companies.
where i do agree is that "big business" will eventually become the primary=
=20
distribution channel through which people will get their kde and gnu/linux=
=20
systems.
> Also, the reason Linux has gained such respect and popularity as a
> server OS is simply because Most Systems Administrators (even the
> Windows ones) have a greater understanding of computer systems than the
> average users (and in most cases do have a say in the kind of network
> hardware/software that it is used in their environment) and can more
> easily grasp the advantages of using Linux over Windows in a server
> environment.
for the enterprise and enthusiast markets, indeed. and so very little effor=
t=20
went into making Linux accessible to the average user until relatively=20
recently.
here's an interesting little tidbit to chew on though: more people in the=20
SMB/SME space pick linux on the server when it comes with a nice GUI that's=
=20
easy to point-n-click on. this happens to be because the decision makers in=
=20
these situations often are not those with "greater understanding" or have t=
o=20
work with those without "greater understanding".=20
> You can argue all you want about the effects of disruptive=20
> technology and the power of grass-root movements; but not until either
> the average users becomes more computer literate or the OEMs throw their
> support behind Linux 'en masse' will Linux become all that it was meant t=
o.
they will be the delivery channels (no surprise there), but have had very=20
little impact in the development, improvement and current market demand for=
=20
desktop linux.
continue your "we need the angels" dreaming if you wish, but we would be=20
waiting forever for nothing if we took that route. even the people at Intel=
=20
and IBM have started to understand this and are working at supporting and=20
stimulating the grass roots side of the projects. and what do you think=20
google's SoC is all about? as scary as it might be for those who believe=20
strongly in power structure based systems, it is actually happening=20
differently than that here (happening, not "going to happen" or "will=20
happen")
=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
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=46ull time KDE developer sponsored by Trolltech (http://www.trolltech.com)
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